As the original info was placed here.

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑03 Apr 2024, 20:23

SW1 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2024, 20:17 The RMs main commitment is the artic if you think they have too many other commitments then the other commitments would go first

Why?

Because they are the artic and mountain warfare lead units

I'm afraid these days it would be little more than a re-enforced Commando, perhaps squeezed to two Commands at a push?? How long that could these days be supported way up in frosty north is debatable.... Exactly my point. The U.K. wants to lead in the JEF region but the vehicles and kit of the Brit...

Is that not what all the exercises last year and this is about Not on the scale required If the Army had to deploy 1 or 2 Brigades north of the Arctic circle and sustain that deployment through an Arctic winter how would that go? The simple fact is that the British Army isn’t equipped to do it. 16 ...

Its what being the framework nation means bring all the nations together go where the need is, command the operation and support it. Can the U.K. reliably do that in the Arctic and Sub-Arctic? There is little sign of that currently. Is that not what all the exercises last year and this is about

The decision to delete sea harrier was in 2005 and implemented in 2006 so long gone by sdsr 2010. So that tweet is conflating several things. The real question is should fa2 sea harrier ever been started. They should have gone for the av8b with the blue vixen radar and used it both in the RN and th...

The danish ship did shoot down 4 drones so..

There not the only ones needing to make software changes based on the real world experience

https://whro.org/news/local-news/45582- ... he-red-sea

The decision to delete sea harrier was in 2005 and implemented in 2006 so long gone by sdsr 2010. So that tweet is conflating several things. The real question is should fa2 sea harrier ever been started. They should have gone for the av8b with the blue vixen radar and used it both in the RN and th...

It’s not about moving a dial it’s about being there. If there is say 2000 uk soldiers on Estonias border and they are killed by a Russian attack the reckoning is that would cause a full response and they know Russia knows that too. The British Army isn’t big enough anymore to knowingly sacrifice 20...

So not the JEF region after all just the bits that best suit the narrative. Not at all. It’s the entire JEF area. In the same way that UK Battlegroups in Denmark and the Netherlands would be pointless is a single UK Battlegroup in Estonia going to move the dial? Deploying 2 or 3 rapid reaction Brig...

The global meltdown that will ensue if we give the CCP control of 80% of the microchips on which our economy is dependent would be far worse. Frankly it would be the end of the western world as we know it. From that point on Japan would be effectively Finlandised and Australia would be next - with ...

OK 3 Cdo and 29 RA Cdo could do with few GBAD Vikings No argument. My point is: If the Army is concentrating of the JEF region and leaving the large land armies to continental Europe, how many Vikings will the British Army need? 5 of the JEF nations are in continental Europe. I know but deploying B...

The global meltdown that will ensue if we give the CCP control of 80% of the microchips on which our economy is dependent would be far worse. Frankly it would be the end of the western world as we know it. From that point on Japan would be effectively Finlandised and Australia would be next - with ...

Which is why if indications of conflict started to appear and you were serious about stopping it you rapidly start streaming in stand in forces, think desert shield. With the very clear signal if you are coming in, you are coming in on us with all the implications of where that ends. It’s the clear ...

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 21:34

Tempest414 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 17:35 OK 3 Cdo and 29 RA Cdo could do with few GBAD Vikings

No argument.

My point is: If the Army is concentrating of the JEF region and leaving the large land armies to continental Europe, how many Vikings will the British Army need?

5 of the JEF nations are in continental Europe.

The decision to delete sea harrier was in 2005 and implemented in 2006 so long gone by sdsr 2010. So that tweet is conflating several things. The real question is should fa2 sea harrier ever been started. They should have gone for the av8b with the blue vixen radar and used it both in the RN and the...

Probably more appropriate in the Red Sea or Danish military thread than here. Sounds like the issues were known about for some considerable time.

I dont think there is any realistic scenario where Russian military assets start attacking merchant shipping heading to western nato nations. There maybe intimidation like we are seeing in the Philippine sea from China at the minute. There maybe interference with navigation systems as we have seen ...

How many modern subs do Russia have in their northern fleet? Somewhere between 12 & 15 - enough to keep a large submarine and surface fleet busy. We ie nato have more than that even the European nato nations do would they not be keeping the Russian fleet busy? If the scenario is that they are a...

Repulse wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024, 14:44

SW1 wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024, 13:23 How many modern subs do Russia have in their northern fleet?

Somewhere between 12 & 15 - enough to keep a large submarine and surface fleet busy.

We ie nato have more than that even the European nato nations do would they not be keeping the Russian fleet busy?

Are we the west likely to engage Chinese forces directly anymore than we are engaging Russian forces directly in Ukraine? No, we (the UK) aren’t, but the US in Taiwan is quite possible which then draws in regional players. If the answer is no then should Chinese forces surround Taiwan there would b...

Thanks for your thoughts on the five year RN surface fleet priorities / tweaks given the realistic (IMO) China invasion of Taiwan scenario with Russia supporting by using its navy to threat and disrupt the NATO region in parallel. I’ve been thinking about it over the break also, and what strikes me...

Just to put this into Context NATO Europe not including the USN & Canada has 3 x Fleet Carriers 1 x Light Carrier 6 x LHD's ( 3 fixed wing capable 1 x F35 , 2 x Harrier ) 7 x SSBN's 13 x SSN's 53 x SSK 127 x escorts 80 x Corvettes / OPV's 50+ MPA How many of the 127 Escorts have a capability to...

That’s one way to look at it and you raise valid points. The other way to look at it is to say that defence is being run too hot and there is virtually no excess to allow for a realistic rate of attrition in a conflict. Continuously running hot fleets is a peacetime luxury that goes out of date as ...

Just sounds like a fantasy shopping list to me tbh Looks like a solid grasp of the priorities to me. Interesting how the RAF didn’t get much of a mention. Why are our current 7 ssns not getting to sea much, why are the ssbn patrol lengths getting longer. It’s not because we didn’t order 12 ssns. Wh...