With the rfa being under attack for days they must of noted the difference been first waves and second ones. Yes I’ve read a couple of Ewen southbay-Tailyour books on the Falklands and if you think bluff cove is all about air superiority it is not. It’s about the Swiss cheese of accidents, the fog ...

Interesting thought on stand alone box launchers, that maybe more useful than it being integrated into a vertical launch system.

The price of dither and delay it’s where the money goes…

That's trying to do too much with the frigate form factor. Really don’t see where you’re coming from tbh. You’re looking at trying to make a frigate a lpd equivalent. A frigates is a frigate this design is offering flexibility as a frigate. My point is: If RN really wants to do the T32 concept prop...

I think operating UAVs and helicopters together will depend very much on which aircraft you’re thinking about and what the RN regulations are for there concurrent operation and black deck situations. No idea what they are but I think that would drive most of it rather than enlarging the already lar...

That isn’t a two spot flight deck that’s a UAV on a helicopter flight deck. I think it’s something like a 64m flight deck length for a two spot merlin flight deck for example I am not suggesting a 64m Albion sized flight deck! I am suggesting that it is possible to add a larger flight deck which al...

sol wrote: ↑27 Jun 2023, 08:45

SW1 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2023, 07:55 You’ll just have more tanks!

Well obviously. Having more armoured formation would mean having more tanks. It is interesting how it works isn't it.

Yes and completely unusable a brilliant use of capital allocation

The RFA has been in every war for sure, but we are putting them increasingly in combat roles not in logistics What? When have the RFA been in a combat role? Exactly, never. It’s always been a logistical role, even for amphibious assault the RFA did not man the assault LPDs, but instead the Landing ...

Or more realistic countries like Norway, portugal, Holland Canada, Belgium who have less tanks than the U.K. maybe even the like of Australia. Yes, it is completely realistic that Norway, Portugal or Belgium should have same number or more tanks than UK. Of course. Just counting tanks is rather poi...

The RFA has been in every war for sure, but we are putting them increasingly in combat roles not in logistics What? When have the RFA been in a combat role? Exactly, never. It’s always been a logistical role, even for amphibious assault the RFA did not man the assault LPDs, but instead the Landing ...

Yes, the UK will have to pay for it, and I don't see why the US would have to buy into it. It's a metal box with an actuator and fire extinguisher, it's not complicated. The complicated bits are part of the missile canister, which I believe is unique to each missile type. 20230626_231252.jpg Unless...

Seems a strange thing to argue that it’s below critical mass when it’s still more tanks than at least 12 other NATO members who use tanks and a few other allies besides that. And how realistic that countries like Slovakia, Romania, Estonia ... has more or equal number of tanks as UK? Any NATO count...

I still remain baffled by the mk41 euphoria and the need for more. We don’t have anything currently, or are procuring anything at this time that goes in them and looking at publicly disclosed missile development programs can’t see anything there that is in mk41 either. The future Anglo/French cruis...

It show cases the options available to a customer who can choose what you want as an iterative design I see nothing wrong with that. Agreed, as said, it’s a shopping list. Your too small vls is the size most countries place on their ships especially across Europe. It’s part of the options available...

Repulse wrote: ↑26 Jun 2023, 20:04

SW1 wrote: ↑26 Jun 2023, 20:00 I assume then you aren’t supportive of unmanned system solutions.

Very supportive as part of a balanced fleet, I do not believe in unproven wonder machines however.

So unmanned mcm is unproven then?

https://www.navylookout.com/babcock-showcases-stretched-arrowhead-140-multi-role-naval-platform-concept-with-view-to-type-32-frigate-competition/ Poor - at best it’s what the T31 should have been. What is so Poor about it I am not that impressed with it either. Really difficult to see what is tryin...

It isn’t a reduction it’s a change of configuration. The fisheries role has been taken over by other government departments and the mcm crews are now operating or planning to operate unmanned vessels either from shore or from RFA vessels fwd deployed on a Bay in the gulf or on newly acquired RFA sh...

Some of those sentences in the article are just baffling to me Senior figures in the MoD believe the war in Ukraine has exposed the vulnerability of tanks to shoulder-launched weapons such as Nlaws and Javelins, justifying the original decision in 2021 to upgrade only 148 Challenger 2s to Challenge...

1 Div HQ being made deployable and 16 AAB moving into it

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑26 Jun 2023, 11:38

SW1 wrote: ↑26 Jun 2023, 11:18 Still attempting to make 4 out of 2….

What does that mean?

It mean you have the assets to form two naval task groups but your attempting to form 4 instead.

Therefore the thinking is that rather than getting 6 identical MRSS, that instead get 3 larger ships and 3 smaller. The 3 larger MRSS would be for the two LRG and would replace Argus and the 2 Albions, not to mention th previous loss of Hermes. I still think a wll deck would be udeful but otherwise...

No you are arguing for an imbalanced fleet we don't need more OPVs than we have already. No, I’m not. A few years back there were 8 OPVs and 16 MCMs who had a secondary patrol role. You are arguing that can come down to five and @SW1 down to zero. No other Navy in the world (I include the USCG alon...

I'm not so sure about that. An Archer class escorting Russian ships through the channel? Not a good look. MHC doesn't currently exist. There's a great deal of offshore energy / wind assets in home waters. Is it not the job of the fleet ready escort to escort foreign warships in the channel? No. The...

So what you’re really arguing about now is not opvs or indeed their role which has now virtually gone in the RN but that minor warship roles eg the mine warfare vessels in the RN have become or are becoming containerised and no longer require a dedicated ship. So numbers of ships to count have and ...