Just so there is some grounding in fact if you could give a comparison to a similar ship built for a navy somewhere in the world with a similar need that would be good. The T31 at £275m built in Rosyth. Remove 50% of the entire propulsion system. Remove 50% steel, bulkheads, doors, cabling, electri...

Well for one the yard that built the Irish opv went bust might give a clue to the economics of it. The other yard that built an opv didn’t get anywhere near £100m for an opv. Interesting take - Appledore closed due to lack of orders - it was part of T31 alternative bid and lost. It came back becaus...

I can see the difference on the two cgi images. I wonder why there remained cgi images? I also never heard the price for those two designs do you have a reliable figure for what they were being offered for? I have yet to see any evidence anywhere of a yard in the uk willing to build an opv of that ...

The C1 vessel should be able to defend a task force against multiple high intensity air, surface and sub surface attacks. An area defence. The C2 vessel should be to defend itself and whatever it maybe escorting against an air surface or subsurface attack. A local defence. On that definition both T...

The C1 vessel should be able to defend a task force against multiple high intensity air, surface and sub surface attacks. An area defence.

The C2 vessel should be to defend itself and whatever it maybe escorting against an air surface or subsurface attack. A local defence.

With all the recent investment in U.K. yards combined with the rising experience levels as the programs proceed there is no reason why building naval vessels in the U.K. is going to be automatically more expensive than other advanced European economies with comparable labour costs. One costs £100m ...

It’s not really because who in the uk is going to build it? If it’s rivers it bae and if it’s Babcock it’s a complete new design. The terms of the TOBA is your paying for the workforce and facilities so if your filling out gaps in production with it your paying the to keep the yard. That does t cha...

The hull is not where the cost is in such a vessel and the roles dictate crew numbers. If a C2 design can be built for £100mn, have a core crew of @40 and an availability of 80% I’m all ears. But what capability has it got? it isn't all about cost, crew and availability, the ship has to do somethin...

The hull is not where the cost is in such a vessel and the roles dictate crew numbers. If a C2 design can be built for £100mn, have a core crew of @40 and an availability of 80% I’m all ears. But what capability has it got? it isn't all about cost, crew and availability, the ship has to do somethin...

HMS Diamond joining Lancaster in the gulf. And HMS Richmond will join 7 ships on patrol area of the channel North Sea and Baltic. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67572536 The UK is to send a second warship to the Gulf, in response to rising tensions in the Middle East. HMS Diamond - a Type 45 destroy...

Security situation in the Caribbean deteriorating https://twitter.com/frank_stones/status/1730183881398132907?s=46&t=DDtfAMHAP_nISrZTkNlgBA Shame that HMS Dauntless is no longer in the area. I belive that HMS Medway is returning to Carribean from her deployment in Falklands, (covering for HMS F...

what should have happened was the C1 was the aaw and asw ship combined. This I definitely agree with and the starting point of the T83 should be the T26. This is the real opportunity to grow the size of the war fighting fleet. for cost and industrial simplification i think C2 and C3 are the same hu...

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2023/november/30/231130-hms-richmond-in-the-baltic Royal Navy warship HMS Richmond has deployed to the Baltic to work with partner nations, bolster regional security and protect underwater infrastructure. Her arrival comes as six additional ...

I’m not sure why a change of government suddenly means humanitarian aid from warships is all the rage. Time will tell. On mission bays on type 26 gd question seems to me irrelevant the fact no else has repeated it suggests its not needed. Its a great design but way too expensive for a GP Frigate so...

Security situation in the Caribbean deteriorating

HMS Diamond joining Lancaster in the gulf. And HMS Richmond will join 7 ships on patrol area of the channel North Sea and Baltic. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67572536 The UK is to send a second warship to the Gulf, in response to rising tensions in the Middle East. HMS Diamond - a Type 45 destroye...

The fwd deployed SLOC/ maritime security task is very similar to what we are doing with SNGM2 and TF151 in the gulf and the very recently announced task group in the JEF area arguably the old SNMG1which HMS Richmond is deploying too. It’s the ability to deploy an escort with a command team and brin...

Our at sea role 2 medical requirement is with the high readiness task group, the other being an army field hospital with the fighting division and I think it struggles to do that already leaning heavily on reservists. It’s no mission of multiple fwd deployed ones as well. If there is a change of go...

The fwd deployed SLOC/ maritime security task is very similar to what we are doing with SNGM2 and TF151 in the gulf and the very recently announced task group in the JEF area arguably the old SNMG1which HMS Richmond is deploying too. It’s the ability to deploy an escort with a command team and brin...

It’s not really the problem because the humanitarian assistance is secondary to what these ships are there to do. I also would suggest we don’t have the medical personnel to staff role 2 facilities at that scale which is really brigade level capability, it’s really role 1 medical facility you looki...

I doubt you’ll get a full role 2 hospital in there or that it is needed . This is exactly the problem with an escort heavy fleet. If meaningful HADR is a requirement, traditionally configured escorts are limited in what they can achieve. Ditto for MCM. Therefore more and more taskings are diverted ...

What is your intended size? Note that the image you post is for a ship with 8000t FLD (as I understand). I think you are talking something smaller, 4000t FLD or so? - If it is 8000t level size, it is not much different from Vard7 313 mod, which will be ~10000t FLD. In this case, I prefer Vard7 313m...

If you consider the task of fwd presence a priority then you prioritise funds to it. I see it as a limited priority, but it should not be at the expense of being able to react and surge forces to match events. We have different views, but that’s why I believe OPVs/minor warships for presence and fr...

The Royal Navy does not need 24 escorts to generate a carrier group and an amphibious group. Nor does the Royal Navy currently require a carrier group and an amphibious group. I assume you’re using the 3 to 1 ratio to get to these numbers but that is the historical number for sustained long range t...

Yet again straight to your favourite hobby horse with no thought. The ships or otherwise you use need to have appropriate systems and capabilities to police the area they are in. And the role they are playing and its prioritisation for funds. I think you need to look in the mirror when talking abou...