What the RN needs to avoid is for example having a fixed design for the T-31e, one that already is at its maximum potential like the old T-21s. .......... having a clear upgrade path of each platform to maximise their capability. It was my impression that that is exactly what they have asked for wi...

For large mother ship, I agree it is good, but UK already have Bays. Do we really need more? Yes please :thumbup: But we have no task for "the 4th Bay". Station 2 Bays in Caribbean? Using it for APT-S? I think there is no need for amphibious tasks, in normal days... May be as a drone moth...

I think so. River B2 has many tasks to do, but none of it will be to work as CVTF.

Beautiful shot, it is. OPV and CV, both are important, but with very different tasks. Showing the wide-range of RN tasks.

... As for the “simple” mother ship. When people develop what these other tasks are it invariable comes back to Falklands guardship, something in the med, mcm in the gulf or something in the Caribbean doing martime security and then insist they much be met by an opv or something described as a ligh...

Do not agree here. MHC with such an equipment will not be cheap. May be only 8 hull will be possible with 1B GBP, and another 1-1.5B GBP is desparately needed for developing/buying drones, which will never be cheap. I feel this ship can be built for 150 million each meaning 15 would = 2.25 billion ...

I think you're assumption on the 20nm radar limit for detection of sea skimming missile is misguided. This may be true of low mounted fixed planar arrays, but not the case with Artisan and SAMPSON which are mounted twice as high. Just FACT. Height vs Horizon. 60 m 15.8 nm 45 m 13.7 nm 30 m 11.2 nm ...

Not interesting for me. In long term, UK do not have enough future order of escorts to be built them faster. If we want to build more than 8 T26's we will have to accelerate the build schedule or the T45 replacement timetable will slip. I propose add only one. In this case, we just need to use &quo...

Not a bad proposal, Donald. While I will forever reiterate and remind that the navy requires 13 such ships, and the budget/manpower to support them, it is likely a superior option to what IS happening. I would disagree on the need for a 5 inch gun on the T31s though. If we're just going low end wit...

Partly inspired by the discussion "how to improve T26".... 1: Assessment on crew allocation for T31e. table.png As we see, among the 19 escorts of RN, 2 are in extended readiness (without crew), and 6 are in refit. Among the 6 in refit, 3 can be considered as in normal rotation (say, 1 ou...

And feel this could be done for 825 million a year I am not convinced by this number. How much are MOD paying for ship build each year, now? - 8 T26 frigates, 7.5-8B GBP, 2016-2036 = 360-380M GBP/yr ave. - 5 River OPV, 620M GBP, 2014-2021 = 78M GBP/yr ave. - 2 SSS, 1B GBP, 2019-2026 125M GBP/yr ave...

HMS Medway, looks like at her pace. Looks good.

Not sure how viable this is. I don't think HMT would go for it. I think a simplified T26 with a reduced core crew allocation would be a better option. In effect a T26e to build on the export success of the full spec T26. A much more capable £350m-£450m T31 would also be a realistic option. To take ...

You're welcome, btw .. here is an interesting article about the number of days spent at sea of the t23 https://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.com/2018/10/go-to-sea-once-more-type-23-sea-days.html Thanks, I read it last year. What Sir Humphrey says is quite reasonable, we cannot have all ship "at ...

Here I really think that, banning 2 T23GP without LIFEX must be a very good solution. Sell them to Brazil/Chilli , RN loses nothing , UK gains deeper diplomatic relation, and MOD gains the money saved (LIFEX cost and operational cost = equipment support). . It is a very interesting proposal :thumbu...

Here is the simple summary of RN escort status: スクリーンショット 2019-01-23 23.54.48.png スクリーンショット 2019-01-24 11.12.43.png (T45 Sea Going Days data added, thanks to chinook88-san.) In short, among the 19 escorts, only 11 (58%) are "ready". One T23 and one T45 are in extended readiness, while five...

Most recently this has happened with Navantia Australia and the Hobart class destroyers where the complete intellectual property and build rights was transferred to give Australia complete sovereign control over the design and any child designs that derive from it. They even set up a company in SE ...

cyrilranch wrote:I think Dauntless is still docked in Portsmouth, only Dragon is on op's

You are right. Thanks a lot. I corrected the original post.

Cross-post from T23 thread. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status of the 13 T23s are: [ (c) =active with CAMM, (w)= active with Sea Wolf, (r/c) = refit coming back soon with CAMM , (...

Donald, if I'm understanding you correctly (and I think you're referring to exporting a vessel designed by a third party nation), I don't think you're right. It will depend on the terms of any contract being negotiated and none of us on here are privy to those conversations. OMT no longer build shi...

However, the design is based on Thyssen Krupp’s latest Meko A200 frigate presently in use by Algeria’s navy. How, some ask, can Atlas’s Type 31e vessel be exported by the British when it is the intellectual property of a German company? However, the design is based on OMT’s latest Iver Huitfeldt-cl...

CNIM says, it is 13knots full load, and 18 knots light. Design has been changed?
https://cnim.com/en/businesses/defense- ... ft-assault

1: I had no good feeling of PASCAT, which had no order. Too complex, too maintenance heavy, not beautiful in my view. But, I have a good feeling of Caimen 90 from BMT, which has a big order from US Army. UK was successful in exporting their new LCU design (albeit only design.) 2: French navy buying ...

Selling off five brand new and real ships to buy four concept vessels to prop up a broke shipyard you fancy is real dumb. There is no way you can justify that. Your view is clear. If the RB1's are securing the EEZ and Forth replaces Clyde what would you have the other 4 do? I agree we should now ke...

As said previously I would let the 13th T23 go and use money gained/saved to upgrade remaining 4 GP's to full ASW spec. Rather simply let 13th T23 go, and do just make T23GP as it is, but I agree this is a good approach. Also, The other option is to go the other way and effectively reduce the GP T2...