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by donald_of_tokyo
21 Feb 2024, 08:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19404
Views: 9742505
Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

What I am saying is that, OPV+ is OPV+, will not add any mass on war fighting assets. If RN want more OPV immediately, it is easy: lease RNZN Otago-class OPVs (now both are in reserve ( because of lack of crew )) for 2-3 years. We know there are a few Irish OPVs also, waiting for their crew . In sh...
by donald_of_tokyo
20 Feb 2024, 15:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19404
Views: 9742505
Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

...Firstly the RAN has established that more mass is required and that overall tonnage is not necessarily mass. RN must do the same. The RAN have also concluded that Hunter is too expensive and too slow. RN came to that conclusion years ago. Will Canada now follow? The RAN have reorganised their pr...
by donald_of_tokyo
20 Feb 2024, 15:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19404
Views: 9742505
Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

More T31 "as is", is what you are saying, I felt. No corvette nor OPV+. Any warship with so-so AAW and "57mm and 40mm" guns and a helicopter hangar is very similar to T31, and introducing new design will not be justified, I think. Why are people obsessed with replacing OPVs that...
by donald_of_tokyo
20 Feb 2024, 13:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19404
Views: 9742505
Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I think a 57mm and 2 40mm is over the top on a OPV I think a 57mm and 4 x 12.7mm is a good fit or 2 x 40mm and 4 x 12.7mm I would also like a naval version the Thales Rapid Ranger…. It absolutely is over the top today but what about 10 years from now? The swarms will just get bigger and more comple...
by donald_of_tokyo
19 Feb 2024, 01:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19404
Views: 9742505
Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

… Those Vard vessels are the basis for the US coast guard heritage class cutter we can argue if they should have camm in any UK vessels. The American vessels are coming in at around $700m dollars per ship and while it will be more expensive to manufacture in the states than here are they really tha...
by donald_of_tokyo
17 Feb 2024, 13:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 6178
Views: 1870476
Japan

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

I think this is one way of addressing the needs for MRSS. I do think MRSS shall be split in two classes, 2 larger MRSS (20,000t class) and 3-4 smaller MRSS (8000t class). The latter can be this type of "flat-top LPD with smallish well-dock". Basic parameter - Well-dock for one LCU or 4 CIC...
by donald_of_tokyo
17 Feb 2024, 13:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Archer Class Patrol & Training Vessel (PBR) (RN)
Replies: 133
Views: 62040
Japan

Re: Archer Class Patrol & Training Vessel (PBR) (RN)

The P2000 replacements do not need to be a single class, what we should consider is what would be their role in a war to support the RN. I see three: - Harbour defence - Portsmouth, Devonport and Faslane need patrol ships, also we should be ready to deploy to places like Cyprus etc as has been done...
by donald_of_tokyo
16 Feb 2024, 23:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Archer Class Patrol & Training Vessel (PBR) (RN)
Replies: 133
Views: 62040
Japan

Re: Archer Class Patrol & Training Vessel (PBR) (RN)

I think the latter must be the CIC itself, the longer endurance, higher speed, LCVP replacement.
by donald_of_tokyo
16 Feb 2024, 14:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Archer Class Patrol & Training Vessel (PBR) (RN)
Replies: 133
Views: 62040
Japan

Re: Archer Class Patrol & Training Vessel (PBR) (RN)

An apparent candidate is, SEA class 15 boat (15m long and 21t weight) shall be a candidate. https://www.atlas-elektronik.com/fileadmin/user_upload/01_Images/Solutions/Workboats/SEA_Class_15_Officer_Training_Boat_Workboat_Data_Sheet.pdf I understand it can be "adopted" to be an USV, using t...
by donald_of_tokyo
15 Feb 2024, 15:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19404
Views: 9742505
Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

• By 2033 RN would have: - 6x T45 - 8x T23ASW/T26 - 2x T31 Patrol - 5x T31 GP with Mk41 - 5x RB2 - 5x OPV+ Not perfect but achievable and a very affordable option massively increasing the likelihood that HMT will agree to fund it. It would also give the politicians plenty of soundbites about “growi...
by donald_of_tokyo
15 Feb 2024, 15:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19404
Views: 9742505
Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Moved across. Also as for role that is clear it is global patrol and keeping SLC open the same role the Type 26 GP's were to carry out and the same job the T-23-GP's were doing until they become worn out and were gapped by the RB2's This reasoning only works up to a point. • Forth replaced Clyde so...
by donald_of_tokyo
14 Feb 2024, 14:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19404
Views: 9742505
Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The RN needs Babcock's to keep the schedule they committed to. So far they've done a poor job on that. Poor, but the best we can expect in a company which had never built any frigate in its history. They are doing their best, I think better than I expected. But still it will never meet the schedule...
by donald_of_tokyo
14 Feb 2024, 13:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5492
Views: 1559364
Japan

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Movie report on HMS Tamar in Pitcairn Island. Very very nice to see!!! Slowly rolling River B2 OPV, in the tropical blue water... Beautiful.

by donald_of_tokyo
14 Feb 2024, 13:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19404
Views: 9742505
Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

When will be the T26s and T31s will see IOC? Tricky is the T31's "hand over to RN", which is known to immediately follow the capability improvement period to add CAMM and some sensors/com-suits. 1: It is announced that T26-hull1 will meet IOC on Oct 2028. I understand T26 hull2 will be on ...
by donald_of_tokyo
14 Feb 2024, 12:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 570
Views: 150320
Japan

Re: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Repulse wrote: 14 Feb 2024, 11:51...You can add the Red Sea scenario but that requires a T45 not a light frigate.
Why? Aster 15 was used by French navy. Why not CAMM?
by donald_of_tokyo
13 Feb 2024, 15:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8497
Views: 2200802
Japan

Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

Mk41 VLS + ExLS is ordered by some navies, but if we want to mount it on T31-hull1, RN will be the first to do all the verification and certification. This will take time. Without certification, RN cannot fire any CAMM from the VLS. And, before it is enabled, no T31 will be sent to front-line and he...
by donald_of_tokyo
12 Feb 2024, 23:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8497
Views: 2200802
Japan

Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

As far as I'm aware the ANZSC upgrade predates the 2x6 mushrooms. Also the Anzac mushrooms fit in the overall compartment for VLS not just the space for 2x Mk41. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Te_Kaha%27s_Anti-Air_Missile_Armament.jpg/1200px-Te_Kaha%27s_Anti-Air_Missile_A...
by donald_of_tokyo
12 Feb 2024, 23:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8497
Views: 2200802
Japan

Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

"Mk.41 order" The old news on 2018, 4 years ago. only T26B1 Sorry 2018 was 6 years ago of now 2024 (time flies by!!) T26 hull-1 IOC is on Oct 2028, and thus will be delivered to RN on 2026. I do not think T31-hull1 can be 6 years behind this schedule. Note that T26-hull4 (1st T26B2) is pl...
by donald_of_tokyo
12 Feb 2024, 16:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8497
Views: 2200802
Japan

Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

What has the density of the mushroom farm got to do with it? The issue is that a new different variation on the farm is being installed on a new class of ship. his will requiire various integration, trials and testing. Sorry but why we need the new system? The legacy mushroom tube works perfectly f...
by donald_of_tokyo
12 Feb 2024, 16:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8497
Views: 2200802
Japan

Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

"Locating", integrating with CMS, & testing/certification does not require the ship to be in a dockyard. I do not think ExLs will be acquired. I think the existing mushrooms (number to be determined) will remain and the Mk 41 added alongside for use by anti-ship & land attack miss...
by donald_of_tokyo
12 Feb 2024, 16:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8497
Views: 2200802
Japan

Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

My understanding is that CIP is already in the schedule so why do that and then later schedule another docking period for the Mk 41? By that time the ships will be scattered across the globe. Far easier to do it when they're close to home. Because Mk41 VLS is not there yet. Who has ordered it? If F...
by donald_of_tokyo
12 Feb 2024, 15:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8497
Views: 2200802
Japan

Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

What has the density of the mushroom farm got to do with it? The issue is that a new different variation on the farm is being installed on a new class of ship. his will requiire various integration, trials and testing. Sorry but why we need the new system? The legacy mushroom tube works perfectly f...
by donald_of_tokyo
12 Feb 2024, 15:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 5699
Views: 1494637
Japan

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

I understand that but if you're bad at planning, both your A and B plans will be bad :D But it can be easily avoided. Just it. There are two bads, by nature; "inherent/inevitable bad" and "just a matter of choice bad". "A dog cannot fly by his own arm", inevitable bad....
by donald_of_tokyo
12 Feb 2024, 15:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8497
Views: 2200802
Japan

Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

"Locating", integrating with CMS, & testing/certification does not require the ship to be in a dockyard. I do not think ExLs will be acquired. I think the existing mushrooms (number to be determined) will remain and the Mk 41 added alongside for use by anti-ship & land attack miss...