If the Army cancels Warrior CSP, switches Boxer to the IFV role, and uses Ajax for recce + firepower (alongside MBTs), you have a fairly decent start on a solid conventional armoured brigade, especially if you rebuild your railway capability and buy a couple hundred extra HETs to make the whole thi...

It did have one before, but then the program was cut, many of its variants cut, and then the eventual formation it was supposed to fit into completely changed after the point at which it had already built steam.. I think at the point that it was clear that the requirements called for something the ...

What exactly are they for? Rushing around with dash and elan What will they do? Take up large chunks of equipment budget, rush around with dash and elan, burn nicely. Cant fight tanks, but can't self deploy. It can fight tanks, but it’s likely to lose. It can self deploy, but it’ll be hard work and...

ArmChairCivvy wrote: Sure, but it is a sad state of affairs if a single bunker that got in the way just because it existing came as a surprise would have to be dealt with by 'the request' going up all the way to 'divisional fires'

If you don’t have tanks or PGMs with your field artillery, there isn’t much else.

In the meantime the Army should buy 50 or so Nemo 120mm Mortar Systems to integrate into Boxer Mission Modules to give the Mechanised Battalions some sort of credible indirect fire support, giving each Battalion a Section of eight with a number lest over for training etc.. It's one of those occasio...

How many years would you really get out of CR2 upgrade vs Brand new M1/Leo2? What would the availability be in practice? An orphan product powered by an engine developed by Leyland in the 1950s? I don’t know, but it’s a pointless question because you can’t have a brand new M1 or Leopard 2. They are...

Point is they had a shot, in fact multiple shots and they blew it. FRES TRCER AJAX etc. They could have had VBCI or CV90 of the shelf and instead they decided to p**s 6 billion up against a powerpoint presentation. At least RN and RAF know what they want. I’m not saying army shouldn’t get tanks IFV...

I am pretty convinced this is the usual "apocalyptic cuts leaks" crap we always see that always gets proven wrong, but I am stunned by the amount of people who seem to be arguing for cuts. I sometimes wonder if its something to do with tanks (used properly) being a workmanlike, efficient,...

Because that would be the cheap option compared to the Challenger Upgrade? May work out that way, standard NATO ammunition, can be air freighted in a A400 or C17. Would give some protection to the Boxer Fleet and remaining AJAX in the Strike Brigade. Otherwise I do not see the point of the AJAX if ...

bobp wrote:

Tempest414 wrote:Ajax drop order to 250 units

I would keep the AJAX
I would equip 125 of those with a 120mm gun and make them into medium tanks.

Caribbean wrote:

bobp wrote:I would equip 125 of those with a 120mm gun and make them into medium tanks.

With APS

Because that would be the cheap option compared to the Challenger Upgrade?

Army Warrior program stopped best 250 hulls given a cheaper hull and power pack refit Ajax drop order to 250 units Boxer add 500 to the 528 on order with 250 fitted with 40mm turret , 110 fitted with 155 mm gun , the remaining 140 split into support types to support the first two Artillery to get n...

Could someone educate me on what constitutes a tank generation?

bobp wrote:Some work being done to upgrade the MLRS:

Did someone put that rocket in the hot wash?

Frankly I wouldn’t give the army another penny until they get their house in order and prove they can deliver something. Does cutting your nose off to spite your face work? How can the Army deliver anything with their funding cut? Would you care to consider how well the Army does compared to other ...

Then none of those are good examples of todays conflicts of either repelling a contemporary heavily armoured brigade or advancing on an opposition force with tanks. All those conflicts are asymmetric, and all are showing the vulnerability of tanks when employed in guerilla, asymmetric warfare. I'm ...

RunningStrong wrote:So no conflicts that have actually seen in armour versus armour contacts?

Maybe not, but how is that relevant?

It is strange to question the role of tanks when there are multilpe active warzones in the world right now proving the current need for them. Out of interest, which active warzones are currently seeing active use of tanks? Syria is the obvious one. Yemen another. Ukraine has quieted down a bit of l...

OK, but give me a credible example please. Previous cases: Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq again, Afghanistan. Future examples: North Africa, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, the Balkans again? Can you give an example where they absolutely won’t be useful? Can the channel tunnel be used? Are foreign rai...

could someone explain to me the sort of scenario in which these tanks might conceivably be used in future conflicts? Any scenario where you need protected, mobile, firepower. I'm just struggling totally to imagine how the something the size and weight of say 100 of these machines can be transported...

Almost as if mobility can’t be broken down into a couple of statistics.

Hopefully they can clear it for use with some of the long range guided shells that are available as a stop-gap.

How much money would have been saved if we had proceeded with the FRES UV programme I wonder? Probably not so much as you might think. The winner of the “trials of truth” wasn’t announced until mid-2008 and the first deliveries for Piranha 5 (which is essentially what the winner ended up being) pos...

Apparently PHE were simply running through the list of people that had previously tested positive, on a daily basis, then checking to see if they were still alive. Anyone who had died was then counted as a CV-19 death, regardless of how long ago the positive test was made, or the actual cause of de...

dmereifield wrote: Can't see how he could do much worse that what the current system has been doing for the past 30 years

There’s always a way to make it worse.

Got to wonder about the judgment of a man who thinks that driving 60 miles is a suitable method for an eye test.