No money. We are even struggling to save T31 small budget.
It is good to discuss, but sadly lies in fantasy world. Or, we must propose to cut other field significantly. My proposal was to cut F35b, 5-7 of them to enable Venator 110. But not popular here .
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- 11 Oct 2018, 12:57
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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- 10 Oct 2018, 13:37
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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- Views: 7058772
Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
I am sorry are saying that A ) BAE said they would build ships 7 & 8 for 1.3 billion or B ) the budget was cut by 1.3 billion and ships 7 & 8 were cut so there cost must of been 650 million each (A) is yes, as I understand. While, it has no relation to (B). As I understand, the budget of T4...
- 10 Oct 2018, 11:16
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
- Replies: 19150
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
correct but lets say you are right and we cut 1 type 26 and save 750 million giving a new budget of 7.25 billion the new unit cost of the remaining 7 ships is 1.035 billion per ship. And sure if they build 1 extra ship the unit cost per ship will come down but the budget will go up so if they add 7...
- 10 Oct 2018, 10:20
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
- Replies: 19150
- Views: 7058772
Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
T31e is NOT the smallest frigate, it is the largest (and with longest leg) corvette in the world. No irony, I really think so. Leanders range and endurance is impressive but when did RN change its policy to join the Corvette club? If this is a change based on strategic logic why did RN not build mo...
- 10 Oct 2018, 10:03
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
I bet buying more "less armed" T26 will be cheaper and more efficient. One question, when you say 450-500m GBP, is it unit cost or average cost? It differs a lot. T45 unit cost is ~650M, T26 is ~750M, not 1 billion. Their average cost is, yes, 1 billion. You see for me this is where so ca...
- 10 Oct 2018, 02:21
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Leander on the other hand will never be a C2 or Tier2 Frigate at 117mX14m regardless of how many weapons your strap onto it. Agreed. It is NOT intended to be C2. Cost says so. Speech even says so. It is NOT a "warfighter". As an aside, Leander is quoted as requiring a crew of 120. This ap...
- 09 Oct 2018, 17:08
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
A simple comment. As we seem to be going down the road of a C1 , C2 , C3 fleet...... The C1,C2,C3 strategy seems like a throughly sensible and cost effective way forward. Is current planning heading in this direction? I think we are currently on course for a C1,C3 setup as corvettes, long range or o...
- 09 Oct 2018, 00:42
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
JMSDF has its own long-range, super-sonic ASROC. It is using Japanese light-weight torpedo, which is much heavier than Mk.46/54. So, I think it can relatively easily accommodate Stingray if you like :thumbup: On the other hand, I think there will be two types of range requirements for ASROC. A- If t...
- 08 Oct 2018, 14:55
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5461
- Views: 1465341
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Agree it is just a mistake. All information, including the CG, is on line with the T26 program as of 2013-2015.
- 08 Oct 2018, 12:40
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5461
- Views: 1465341
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
The most interesting point. Delivery starts at 2023?
Another comment; CG is old.- 08 Oct 2018, 03:18
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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- Views: 7058772
Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
SW1-san, Caribbean-san, Repulse-san, and others. I do think Leander has its own tasks in RN. My understanding of T31e UK is preparing the cost for "a typical heavy-corvette", never a light frigate. UK try to get a corvette-level armament ship, with enlarge hull for stable helo handling, la...
- 08 Oct 2018, 02:42
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Anyhow, the Bae Corvette will certainly not sink in Norway or any other cold place due to ice. I have no idea why you think that. The standard offering is not ice capable meaning the hull hasn't been strengthened to resist pack ice. That does not mean it will capsize. Stability issue is rumor, I th...
- 07 Oct 2018, 12:53
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
have heard naval architects in the past describe the khareef ships as cramped and poorly laid out as they tried to stuff to much on a small hull. Was waiting for someone else to say that I know there is such rumor. May be its true, but it all depend on how carefully you design it. One hope is, ther...
- 07 Oct 2018, 03:50
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Hi donald_of_tokyo , I’m okay with a minor evolution, but as long as it’s not used to add another £50mn to a ship that should cost £200mn. It will have limitations for sure, but that’s the point build it to do the specific role be asked if it. Stability will not be "go OK with", I'm afrai...
- 06 Oct 2018, 16:04
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
... When you look at it this way, and add on exportability and UK IP then we have a design already - it is called the Al Khareef. It is proven, similar to other ships operated by the RN, and should be quick to get started. Obviously, it would need RN systems (CMS etc) including re-use of the T23 ki...
- 06 Oct 2018, 15:57
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
When we compare Legend-class and Heritage-class, the fact that the latter is "less than half" the price of the former is very interesting. I agree interesting comparison. In simplistic terms is it safe to assume very roughly that a Tier 2 Frigate should cost around £400m if built in the U...
- 04 Oct 2018, 16:33
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
- Replies: 19150
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
When we compare Legend-class and Heritage-class, the fact that the latter is "less than half" the price of the former is very interesting. - The only difference in armaments is CIWS - Top speed differs a lot, 28 knots vs 22+ knots. But, to do it Legened-class is using expensive GT. - range...
- 04 Oct 2018, 13:54
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Cross post from USA thread ------- We all know US ship building cost is much different from (or expensive than) UKs. Because 4500t Legend-class cutter is $700M = 540M GBP, which is less-capable than 470M GBP unit-cost FTI (yes here I assume French cost is not much different from UKs, might be wrong...
- 03 Oct 2018, 16:20
- Forum: Defence Elsewhere
- Topic: USA Armed Forces
- Replies: 2089
- Views: 108914
Re: USA Armed Forces
USCG Heritage class cutter, hull-1 has a contract with $317.5 million. The cost also includes "components and materials" for hull-2. Also, there was another $41.68 million contract for to procure long lead time materials of hull-1 at 1 year before. Looks like OPC hull-1 cost is roughly $30...
- 03 Oct 2018, 15:40
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
- Replies: 19150
- Views: 7058772
Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
I just regard CAPTAS-4 CI (Compact Independent Tow) is a kind of "VDS". Even if it is written "VDS", it does not mean it does not include TASS.
- 03 Oct 2018, 15:36
- Forum: Defence Elsewhere
- Topic: French Armed Forces
- Replies: 1870
- Views: 125833
Re: French Armed Forces
Surely this is going to impact sales of the Sylver/Aster combination. One of the key selling points of VLS is their ability to fire numerous types of weapon. It is a shame as the Aster 30 is probably the best naval SAM available at the moment. I am surprised that the A70 cannot mount SAMs though. V...
- 03 Oct 2018, 01:02
- Forum: Defence Elsewhere
- Topic: French Armed Forces
- Replies: 1870
- Views: 125833
Re: French Armed Forces
From NavyRecognition: "French Navy Fitting Aster 30 Long Range SAM on its Last Two ASW FREMM Frigates" - At now, two FREMM-ASW are just replacing Silver A47 with A50. - Also, they are to be still using Aster15, because they need software update to handle Aster30. - Also interesting is the ...
- 01 Oct 2018, 15:29
- Forum: Defence Elsewhere
- Topic: USA Armed Forces
- Replies: 2089
- Views: 108914
Re: USA Armed Forces
Beautiful it is. Congratulation Boeing, winning T-X. (also good for SAAB). I cannot stop designing a "light fighter" based on this hull, like Hawk 200 made out of Hawk 100. Of course, it intercepts with Gripens. But now Gripen is E, with F414 engine, while this T-X is more light, with F404...
- 01 Oct 2018, 13:58
- Forum: Defence Elsewhere
- Topic: JAPAN / 日本
- Replies: 456
- Views: 44672
Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
The Japanese Navy 7th Atago Aegis class destroyer, the updated and ~1,000 tons larger 27DDG-179 Maya was launched end of July, the second follow on ship yet to be named, Maya's keel was laid April 2017 and only 16 months to launch, and is scheduled to be commissioned in 2020. Will be fitted with th...
- 01 Oct 2018, 13:55
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
No "mushroom" onboard Argyll. In the Navylookout twitter, we can see all the Argyll's CAMM has taken off the top-hat = mushroom. Compared to the test movie, it looks like this flat-top rubber is the one "ready to fire". In other words, Argyll is carrying 32 CAMM ready? スクリーンショット...