OK, so no 2 x Mk41 VLS ( each about 20 mil. USD- 40 mil. USD ), no additional 24 CAMM ( say each missile 1,5 mil. USD- 36 mil. USD ), no launchers for them ( say 20 mil. USD less ), no Sonar 2087 ( say each 40 mil. USD ). So about 150 mil. USD of savings per ship at first glance. Let's say that they...

I would love to know what is "general purpose" frigate? Because I can't imagine anything more "general purpose" than Type 26... :? Just means a frigate without the ASW gear , 5 of the existing Type 23s are in the "general purpose" configuration, without Sonar 2087. So,...

I would love to know what is "general purpose" frigate? Because I can't imagine anything more "general purpose" than Type 26...

IMO if the choice is between Hunt and Sandown, I would keep the Hunt's.

Merry Christmas to all of you people...

Extendable http://i.imgur.com/D6lwZid.gif Before http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/OPV-BAE.jpg After http://i.imgur.com/8eSoPqE.jpg Could we make the rivers more useful with a retractable hanger such as this? Extend the sides of the forward structure to create a hangar, it wor...

It is true we will need an interim missile between harpoon and our new future missile. Naval Strike Missile and Tomahawk Block 4 are both great choices because of their multiple uses, very important suff these days. IMHO way too logical proposal for British sea lords and MoD mandarins... Far better...

Well, it all comes down to this point: If you don't like the "light frigate" concept, are you ready to accept RN with 8 or 10 Type 26?

So, what can we drop from Type 26 ( keeping the basicly same hull and propulsion ) to get cheaper frigates? Tomahawks? So, no 16 Tomahawks, that's 2 Mk41 launchers less ( 2 x 20 mil. USD- 40 mil. USD and 16 x 2 mil. USD ( for TLAM )- about 30-40 mil. USD. That's 70-80 mil. USD. Or, about 10% of the ...

What the hell would the RN do with a frigate that has no ASW capabilities?

Better to name it OPV then...

I would say that when the UK has 13 frigates ( maybe, for now 8 is for sure ) and the bloody Denmark ( 13-14 x smaller country ) has 5, something is pretty rotten in the state of Britain... Found a list of frigates worldwide: http://www.globalfirepower.com/navy-frigates.asp Even better link: https:...

Yes what happens when the 2nd rate Frigate has to be bounced into a conflict because there are no other vessels available or its lower threat patrol area throws up a high threat at short notice. A light frigate available in theatre, armed with Sea Ceptor, a Wildcat helo and a 127mm gun with PG ammo...

I would say that when the UK has 13 frigates ( maybe, for now 8 is for sure ) and the bloody Denmark ( 13-14 x smaller country ) has 5, something is pretty rotten in the state of Britain...

To be honest, I can't really see how a new design is going to be much cheaper than taking a T-26 hull, swapping the CODLAG system for a CODLOG, squeezing the MK41 VLS down to maybe 16 cells, not bothering with torpedo capability and using the T-23's 4.5 inch gun. These would effectively be the GP T...

No, i want to hear a more relevant comparison. I want to hear what kind of amazing survivability feature Type 26 supposedly would have over and above what the FREMM have, while being only a few meters larger, but with far more space taken up by weapons, Chinook-flight deck and mission bay, stores f...

Ron5 wrote:1st Sea Lord said "credible" frigates. So no Venator, Rolls-Royce PB's, or Danish rip offs need to apply.

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What's so not-credible about Absalons?

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abc123 wrote:Well, if not Khareef, than surely Absalon should do the trick...

Absalon would not do the trick, it's a foreign design. We can't export other countries designs.

Well it isn't that foreign customers are buying British frigates anyway, at least not since Leander-class...

Well, if not Khareef, than surely Absalon should do the trick...

WhitestElephant Well, IMHO a beefed-up Khareef should be just fine. Add say 1000 tons ( so about 3500 t+ ), put 127 mm gun instead of 76 mm, keep the rest of weapons same ( CAMM instead of MICA ) and add a longer range ( 6-7 000 nm ) and you have more than decent ship for 90% of needs. And the price...

I agree. But when MoD in their infinite wisdom decided thatlarger ships like Type 45 should have no TLAMs, they had to go somewhere, so we have what we have. I still think thatType 26 is a good project, but damn too costly... But, IMO additional 5-6 Absalon-type frigates would be a great thing, even...

Speaking of light/cheap frigates, maybe you should order them from Denmark:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absalon-c ... pport_ship

Not exactly light, but cheap- definitly... And general-purpose as hell...

Well, all in all, I'm not too unhappy with new SDSR. Not exactly everything we could wish for, but not too bad either. Especially if we compare it with predecessor...

Very sad news indeed. My condolences to Mike's family. His posts were so full of informations and interesting...

It seems to me that I saw somewhere that UK had 79 old, non-modernised launchers?

Considering that there's no separate thread about British MLRS, I have one question about them: How many MLRS launchers has/had British Army?