A great example of a Medium Capacity OPV from VARD. https://twitter.com/GrumpyLars/status/1666452702560153607 LOA: 136m Beam: 22m Draft: 6.2m Displacement: 9800t Max Speed: 22knts Endurance: 60 days 40mm Hanger for 2 medium helicopters Merlin capable flight deck Accommodation for 100 SS1221 Sonar Ic...

tomuk wrote: ↑08 Jun 2023, 21:07 No….

Adapt it then, see if a consensus emerges.

Can we agree on this?

- One T83 equals two T26

- One T26 equals two T31

- One T31 equals two HiCap OPVs

- One HiCap OPV equals two Standard OPVs

Simple?

…this £250mn frigate will still end up to be double that. It’s naive beyond belief The T31 won’t cost £500m Even around the £400m ballpark with the Mk41s and hopefully some kind of tail they are very good value It’s only the Chinook capable landing pad that is a luxury and even then it’s marginal. ...

Tempest414 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2023, 08:19 …..HMG , MOD dragged they feet and the RN and BAE couldn't stop playing and fucking with the design

The T83 is heading in the same direction.

To grow the Royal Navy every class from now on must be bigger than the preceding class. It’s really simple.

RN does not need cruisers.

SW1 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 22:58 I’m still somewhat at a loss as to the rationale for theses mk41 silos in the fleet. We have not procured anything cleared in them.

Could you not say the same about the T26?

…why not use the T45 hull for the replacement. Why not? However, an adapted T26 that retains the superior ASW capability is still top of the list if RN can pull it off. IMO a T26 based AAW optimised T83 would change everything for RN especially if 8 were built. That would allow the T83’s to concent...

….would the gov fund 10-12 AAW to replace the 6 T45 though....thinking more about the through life costs - nearly double the crew? Great question but it’s also worth considering what the crew allocation would be for a 180m, 12,000t AAW destroyer? 250? Firstly, I would ask how many next-gen AAW dest...

Timmymagic wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 10:21 This is T26 based

Which part is the same? At 180m and over 12,000t it looks completely different.

RN needs more destroyers not cruisers.

Possible BAE Type 83 concept image Thats looks like a £2.5bn cruiser. If RN want something like that they will need to spread the cost with other nations or 6 will become 3 when development costs reduce hull numbers. Is this really the best direction of travel for RN? Would 12x T26 AAW not be bette...

However, we really need a review on what the RFA is for . I’d not understand why they are manning the MRoSS and OSVs, equally I do not believe the RFA should be doing anything more than logistics and resupply. The lines have become so blurred it’s difficult to tell anymore. When a Bay is in the UK ...

Moved across. Also, dreaming of Waves and LSDs is just that a dream unless something changes. Why? The 2 Waves are already tied up for lack of crew, and that’s before crew need to be found for an additional 2 Solid Stores ships and MRoSS. The 2nd MRoSS has supposedly been delayed, and the two additi...

mrclark303 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2023, 20:09 ….with an eye towards 85,000 max displacement.

We can’t do that. It would upset the French!

Repulse wrote: ↑04 Jun 2023, 17:23 Also, dreaming of Waves and LSDs is just that a dream unless something changes.

Why?

new guy wrote: ↑04 Jun 2023, 13:47 That is a LSV

What is a LSV?

I was actually referring to the TRIFIC image. I know you were but adding containers containing new-tech to commercial Damen workboats is hardly good news. It’s just another sign of underfunding and low manpower levels. The UK is not alone in these struggles. The interesting part was the LPX announc...

https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1665287665418215424 Thats massive news IMO. The first step to a meaningful FCF capability EoS. Now need a Bay, both Waves and ideally the second Albion forward based at Duqm. It’s all in the water, use it or lose it! Demonstrates clearly that RN wants addition...

https://t.co/wioWsoClWR Combining the LPDs with the Holland OPVs? The LPX sounds very much like a HiCap OPV, the Vard 7 313 as discussed previously would be a perfect fit. https://vardmarine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/VARD-7-313.pdf Or could Damen finally get their first Crossover in the water?...

There has been talk of Mk41 for 18 months now so by the time Type 31 is handed over for fit out in Dec it would be 2 years so of the work has been going on they can be fitted into hull one They should be fitted from Hull One but if that isn’t possible they must be fitted to Hull Three onwards. Buil...

There is a lot of talk of “mass” but in no war since 91 has it been shown that mass beat’s technology in the fighting stage. There has been no serious peer on peer naval clash for many generations hence why the theory of mass is currently unpopular. I think it’s more straightforward than you sugges...

From post 98 review which was my reference the defence has barely moved it has been between 2-2.5% of gdp as your graph shows. My main point is, if you are managing an organisation that has procurements stretching decades into the future and your funding is halved over 10 to 15 years it’s devastati...

It made its bed now it is lying in it. It wasn’t RN that made the bed. Between the early 1990’s and the mid 2000’s HMG virtually halved UK Defence spending despite getting entangled in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. RN can not and should not be blamed for idiotic decisions by politicians. 7AB4FD78-9...

Why are the RN wasting time and money on this. Launch and recovery gear for UAVs for refuelling , AWACS and Loyal Wingman is fine. But trying change to a full CATOBAR carrier again? There are umpteen other more pressing requirements than that. My initial reaction was that RN must have suddenly foun...

My vote would be for Gannet or Sea Gannet after our previous, fixed-wing, single prop, ASW and AEW platform! Good choice! As it’s a first for the Royal Navy my vote would be for VAMPIRE in memory of Eric “Winkle” Brown’s first landing of a jet aircraft on a ship when he landed on HMS Ocean on 3rd D...

Also speeding up type 26 could leave a gap between type 26 and 83 for me maybe the better option would be to build 3 more type 31 at the speed we are going now we then keep them or sell them My main point is turning this mess into a plus scenario rather than a minus scenario. This has the potential...