If you want a guide to what u get for your money in they uk, then the RSS Attenborough would be a good bench mark from a none “BAE yard”. That ship will cost up to £200m pounds and has no military systems at all. yes it has no military kit but it dose have a load of scientific kit on it and it buil...

I'm just wondering what's everyone's opion on swedens archer class spg, would a upgrade varient of this be a viable replacement for the AS-90 ?

So, if there's room, my preference would be for four 3-cell ExLS launchers instead instead of a Mk 41 VLS silo. This could have six quad packed launchers for Sea Ceptor-ER area air defence missiles and six for VL-ASROC anti-submarine missiles giving the Type 31e a very good AAW defence and fairly r...

Therefore, if MOD decide to go with Leander, I will just say "yes/agreed". Sorry Donald I can't get excited about Leander, I have tried really really hard but I just don't like it as a replacement for the Type 23's. In my opinion it's simply trying to be a bit too much for the hull form. ...

The problem here is people are looking at Ocean in isolation and want a one for one replacement. You have to look as a 3 for 2 replacement of Albion, Bulwark and Ocean and 2 JC1/Canberra give more capability overall than the 3 ships combined. the only place where you lose efficiency is if all 3 shi...

donald_of_tokyo , I think the Venator 90 died when the T31e came up and the MHPC concept died. My view is that we should revert back to the MHPC and therefore the design should be revived. A chimera? Do you know any good (successful) example? Personally, I've never seen any. Actually, I didn't like...

The key thrase there being " relative to others " It's made out in the new when this sertan point is talked about as though the UK economy has crashed and come to a grinding halt, when it hasn't, the predictions for 2017 and 2018 were 2.5% and 2.3% repectively what we have is 2% so the sl...

I said the slight slow down in growth is due to uncertainty which is linked to decomcracy ( referendums / changes of government ) The 2017 eclection just added to the uncertainty. But you are claiming that if the vote was the other way no matter what the economic growth would of had no decline at a...

You say we're losing £40bn a a year since the vote due to slower growth but that is compared to predicted growth. As Iv pointed these are the same people that can't predicted a couple of months ahead let alone years. You are compared today's growth to growth that was only theoretical, who's to say ...

No what I'm saying is that it could be caused by uncertainty due to the referendum but uncertainty is part and parcel of a democracy, changes of government referendums these are all things that effect economy's for good a bad. One thing that has made thing worse than they needed a to be has been th...

Like I said is that the UK economy has slowed or that others have gained pace. When we was recorded as the best preforming in the G7 it wasn't that we were doing brilliantly it was that others were doing poor, the US for example only had growth of around 1.7% at the time compared to 4% now. In comp...

Is the case that the UK is suddenly doing worse or that others are doing better, the US for example are now at over 4% growth under trump. Over here unemployment is very low just over 4%, employment at and all time high, the deficit on it way down, inward forgien investment at record levels and bot...

£40Bn not paid to the EU and instead invested in a science research park would do wonders. Good luck, the economy is already losing more than that in slower economic growth since the referendum. Can you back that up ? The report about slower economic growth since the referendum was a comparison bet...

£40Bn not paid to the EU and instead invested in a science research park would do wonders. Good luck, the economy is already losing more than that in slower economic growth since the referendum. Can you back that up ? The report about slower economic growth since the referendum was a comparison bet...

Why has that come up as me writing this ? This was in reply to me from albedo :eh: Yes, correct, that was me. I won't post any further on this topic because it's gone too far away from what I suspect is most peoples' interests. But two points just to round off: I agree we did get a fair way of topi...

Caribbean wrote:

Jake1992 wrote:We manufacture relatively little these days

So why are we the 6th largest manufacturing economy in the world?

Why has that come up as me writing this ?
This was in reply to me from albedo

Where on earth did you get 10-30% drop in GDP ? It's obviously just my personal view, but a seriously held one. IMHO the state of the UK economy is relatively precarious - much more so than many might think - and in the absence of continuing good trading arrangements with the EU then the UK will be...

...so although the UK would loose a chunk of GDP and population, it would free-up c. £9-12b in revenue raised by London (in the main) and the South-East. What we need to worry about is the impact of Brexit and the break-up of the UK on London in particular. As always it's complicated. That's all tr...

When you say England will be shadow of it former self you forget Wales, but as a whole England makes up around 80% of the UK economy with London making up a greater % than Scotland does. England also makes up around 85% of the U.K. population so it wouldn't be so deminished No I didn't forget Wales...

I can't agree with you there when it comes to the EU it is seen that the solution to any problem is more EU not less. All we have to do is look at Junkers state of the Union speech earlier this year ( military Union, financial Union, over riding eu chancellor, force relocation of migrants ) I don't...

I have say living in France the french are not happy about the EU and Macron is as popular as a turd in a swimming pool. all it needs is for France , Germany or Italy to leave and it is game over for the EU and France and Italy are playing with the idea which might make Germany jump so they don't g...

I understand the wider benefits to the UK but we should not be spending more than we have to of the Defence Budget to support jobs and industry. Other departments have funding to do just that. The alternative is for the MoD to charge every other department when its assets are used to provide suppor...

Surely the whole single engine twin engine convo shouldn't be based around reliability or the progression of engines now compared to 20-30 years ago. Rather the desission should be base on what our potentioal enemy's will have. It's all well and good saying a single engine today can give the same pr...

I'm no expert in aerospace design but from reading the comments over the last couple of pages regarding single engine or double something has struck me that seems to of been neglected from the descustion. It has been widely stated that today's modern engines give the same or similar proformance in t...

If only it had of been £350m right from the beginning.... Colour me cynical, but had the budget been £350m from the start, I believe that we would now be in exactly the same position, with exactly the same proposals, and an accompanying chorus of "you can't build a frigate for £350m", rep...