It is and what’s more a CMS isn’t needed to operate it - the Amazonas class does not have one. But people will argue why waste a few £10’s mns whilst arguing we need to waste £100’s mns on light frigates.
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- 09 Apr 2024, 20:16
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5492
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Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- 09 Apr 2024, 20:04
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 6149
- Views: 1864811
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
This armament is therefore mainly intended as a last resort. This means that the ships are better armed than the patrol ships, but there is not much difference. The ATSs are intended for operations in the highest spectrum of violence, such as an amphibious landing. But they must be protected by fri...
- 09 Apr 2024, 13:33
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: AUKUS (in general)
- Replies: 20
- Views: 1158
Re: AUKUS (in general)
Has to be CAUKUS - just waiting for NZ to join so it can be CAUKNZUS
- 09 Apr 2024, 08:10
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5492
- Views: 1551666
- 08 Apr 2024, 20:04
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5492
- Views: 1551666
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Absolutely - it can also easily add additional automated guns port and starboard also. A 40/57mm gun and two dual feed 30mms would future proof the ships for another decade with minimal cost.
- 07 Apr 2024, 20:15
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5492
- Views: 1551666
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Given the reduction in platforms, I would argue a UK based OPV class that can act as a USV/UUV mothership is not a low priority luxury it’s essential. For what purpose? To do what the B1 Rivers to right now - EEZ patrolling, anti terrorism, anti drug trafficking and supporting littoral operations. ...
- 07 Apr 2024, 12:58
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5492
- Views: 1551666
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Given the reduction in platforms, I would argue a UK based OPV class that can act as a USV/UUV mothership is not a low priority luxury it’s essential. For what purpose? To do what the B1 Rivers to right now - EEZ patrolling, anti terrorism, anti drug trafficking and supporting littoral operations.
- 07 Apr 2024, 10:33
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5492
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Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
I know this is all fantasy and unlikely in the current climate but forgive me this indulgence. No problem with a fantasy fleet, we all have them. My comment is let’s not replace ships that are doing the job rather well already with more expensive ones just because it feels a good idea. It needs to ...
- 07 Apr 2024, 08:34
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5492
- Views: 1551666
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Given the reduction in platforms, I would argue a UK based OPV class that can act as a USV/UUV mothership is not a low priority luxury it’s essential.
- 07 Apr 2024, 07:38
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5492
- Views: 1551666
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Whilst replacing the B1s with a B2 design would be nice it’s absolutely not a priority - it would however not cost £127mn each - I suggest doing some research into what drove that number. For the UK, what is really needed is a River 1+ type ship, the “+” being increased ability to launch and operate...
- 06 Apr 2024, 20:41
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5492
- Views: 1551666
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
At the risk of being pedantic 'too much and not enough ' seems to be a judgement about perceived value for money rather than compromise. I'm not clear how they're 'compromised'? In my opinion they are too much (over spec’d) for EEZ patrol and not enough for global patrol as there is too much they c...
- 06 Apr 2024, 19:40
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5492
- Views: 1551666
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
It’s good that reality is proving the opposite.Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑06 Apr 2024, 18:55 My opinion hasn’t changed on this.
Retire the 3x RB2’s back to the U.K. EEZ in 2028 and retain the other 2 in the Falklands and Gibraltar.
They are a compromised platform for global patrol and always will be unfortunately.
- 06 Apr 2024, 18:51
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 6149
- Views: 1864811
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
"Think small" option (if the budget do not rise sharply and man-power issue is just kept as is, (not getting worse, but not better either) It will need to be “think smaller” if nothing changes. It’s just more managed decline. Much more proactive to illustrate what 2.5% or 3% could provide...
- 06 Apr 2024, 18:46
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5492
- Views: 1551666
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
A 40mm or 57mm would definitely be my preference, but AFAIK it has a decent radar for its class and maybe a counter UAV with LMM or even a shoulder fired Starstreak would do the job.
- 06 Apr 2024, 18:10
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 6149
- Views: 1864811
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
"Think small" option (if the budget do not rise sharply and man-power issue is just kept as is, (not getting worse, but not better either) It will need to be “think smaller” if nothing changes. The RN doesn’t have the crew to man 19 escorts for a start, even with some in refit - 17 max. T...
- 06 Apr 2024, 16:38
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
- Replies: 19399
- Views: 9723948
Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
I’ve also read that the Wildcats cannot carry dipping sonar and torpedoes at the same time due to weight limitations. https://youtu.be/evfy2-0FpmE?si=GZ2DerbC7ZtxWkJd https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2017/february-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-techno...
- 06 Apr 2024, 14:00
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
- Replies: 19399
- Views: 9723948
Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
And you can have the exactly same dipping sonar and processing system that is on merlin on wildcat now. The South Koreans bought it. Thales sell it as compact flash basically they used new materials, replaced hydraulics with electrics to reduce the weight and shrink. And a much shorter cable so no,...
- 06 Apr 2024, 13:57
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5492
- Views: 1551666
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
https://www.twitter.com/hms_spey/status/1776030294887497983?s=46&t=uxMT95H5Nr9jAEmCklKdgA Nice video. I can understand those who post on improving the lethality and sensors of the B2, but thankfully the debate about turning them into some sort of 21st century Panzerschiff has died down of late....
- 06 Apr 2024, 12:25
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5492
- Views: 1551666
- 06 Apr 2024, 10:04
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: General UK Defence Discussion
- Replies: 1934
- Views: 254006
Re: General UK Defence Discussion
It is welcome, it also highlights how far below the 2% of gdp they had fallen (around 1.4% presently) in that this will allow them to reach that target in about 3 years time. The main takeaways for me. • Regardless of the 2% debate, the worsening security picture requires a massive increase in defe...
- 06 Apr 2024, 07:30
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Future Royal Fleet Auxiliary
- Replies: 201
- Views: 351809
Re: Future Royal Fleet Auxiliary
We discussed this previously, but the RFA can actively operate about 7-8 vessels. Currently being generous it’s 9, but RFA Proteus and RFA Stirling Castle have relatively small crews, whereas Fort Victoria which is currently laid up is significantly more than than the average. In reality the RFA wit...
- 05 Apr 2024, 19:42
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Future Royal Fleet Auxiliary
- Replies: 201
- Views: 351809
Re: Future Royal Fleet Auxiliary
As many tankers in mothballs as there are inservice https://twitter.com/navylookout/status/1776290443468189892?s=61&t=-w58-AqEK8dlq02bHexwZA Madness - why on earth are we getting them to crew MRoSS and OSV ships when they can’t even provide the basic services they are there for. As someone once...
- 05 Apr 2024, 18:55
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Future Royal Fleet Auxiliary
- Replies: 201
- Views: 351809
- 05 Apr 2024, 16:35
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 6149
- Views: 1864811
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
The LSL/LSTs really need to be purchased and operated by NATO members with Baltic coastlines. A semi-commercial setup similar to the Points make work to keep them active. They would be low tech and cheap, both to procure and operate but in a conflict scenario extremely useful. An alternative could ...
- 05 Apr 2024, 12:44
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
- Replies: 19399
- Views: 9723948
Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Interesting, and a good reminder that to be relevant the RN needs top tier assets that others want, it’s not about making up numbers. I think however the article understates the value of the T45, which I understand is superior in aspects of its wide area AAW coverage to the AB class also.