RN working closely with our possible Type 31 at Baltops this last week.

Don't forget the nukes come out of that too The life extension for the missiles is £250m. I would not imagine the nukes are more than £500m. I think they said it was "only" £11.2b What was the statement they made, I cant find it anywhere. Puts on tin foil hat for this part* Just messing w...

What price are we expecting the next 5 Type 26s to come in at?

So, regardless of 1.25B being underestimated or overestimate, increase in T31e cost results in decrease in T26 cost. What I meant was, they could have potentially had the money left for a 9th and 10th Type 26 or part of it, but dedicated they would rather have the increase in hulls instead. So we d...

I think the second batch of 3 will be ordered in 2022 in and around the time they start Belfast. As for the 63 billion over the 10 years 2016-2026 we know HMG has earmarked 31 billion for the capital cost of the SSBN program and has put aside 10 billion in contingency but how much of this will be s...

donald_of_tokyo wrote:by reducing the T26 number?

He is saying what if the pot of money for the Type 31 is larger than £1.25bn, but they are trying to see what they can get for £250m per ship, and then add stuff on to it as options.

I don't expect many will be paid for by 2026. The T26 is being built really slowly (treasury's favorite trick), the gaps between Glasgow, Cardiff and Belfast are 2.5 and 2 years respectively. With Glasgow been delivered in 2026, you really expect that they will not have ordered an additional batch ...

A guesstimate. In that time BAE will have built 2.5 Frigates, and started assembling the 4th. By 2026 they are going to most likely all be paid for. Conservatively, lets say £800m for the next five. Type 26 = £4bn Type 31 = £1.25 FSS = £1bn £6.25bn minimum. I am sure there are plenty of other thing...

shark bait wrote:3bn for the T26

Where are you getting that price from?

Equipment support tends to be a little less than half of the equipment budget, so can we assume 9 billion for support, lets also assume a generous 3 billion to bring the carriers into service. That leaves 7 billion for non carrier capitol expenditure, spent on what? Here is the actual breakdown of ...

Is it true? When the review board asked RN, they answered so. But, it was on the timing of standing up of T31e program. It may potentially have split in to its own pot by now. It will be whatever money was left over from the Type 26 program after budgeting for 8 ships. May be more than £1.25bn, dep...

donald_of_tokyo wrote:Note; the diagram lacks the name of T31. I'm afraid it is intentionally. Not saying it is cancelled, but saying its cancellation is still on the table?

This has been stated many times. The Type 31 budget still comes under the Type 26 program.

shark bait wrote:What are we missing?

All of the escorts will be paid for in that timeframe.

Will people STOP quoting the massive picture...

shark bait wrote:That leaves 7 billion for non carrier capitol expenditure, spent on what?

Type 26, Type 31 and FSS.

£19bn in 10 years? where on earth is that money going? That's a billion pounds for each escort and each carrier The carriers are already paid for. Purchasing wise, it will be the Type 26, Type 31, FSS, and whatever else they are planning on buying. The rest is support costs for the whole ship fleet.

So on the 6th of June Guto Bebb is on record as saying HMG is spending 63 Billion pounds on the RN over the next 10 years Does that include the dreadnoughts though ? If so then there's not a lot going on the fleet really Submarines is £44bn, Ships is £19bn. £63bn in total. https://i.gyazo.com/13afd...

I think that one was ZZ330 on flight RRR9101, it had the red RAF 100 logo on the tail. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfAmDl0XcAM24rY.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfAuf21XkAAiyQb.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfA4S7FXcAEx64_.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfBfbkEWsAIjktj.jpg:la...

SKB wrote: ZZ331 and ZZ335 were used to refuel the four F-35's

A third voyager was involved. It came out of South Carolina and escorted the F-35s up to Canada and then landed there at Gander while the other two took over.

SKB wrote:Found them on FlightRadar24 (i think), 2x RAF Voyagers (ZZ331 and ZZ335) mid Atlantic now, just passed the Azores.

Azores is obviously the mid-atlantic standby airfield. Then up to Spain and along the coastline.

F-35 inbound this evening around 1900.

Niels Juel hangar.

Jake1992 wrote:But despite all this they have world power status and that is soley due to there military power.

The UK is in a completely different situation to Russia. It has a massive amount of soft power backed up by a moderately sized military.

Jake1992 wrote:To me it seems very short sighted it's pretty much saying we have no plans to get the fleet back close to what was pre 2010

There was never, and is not a plan to get back to 2010 levels.

Maybe the solution to offer the basic Frigate at £250m and then have a list of fully costed options so RN can make an informed decision at the time of ordering? Re-desiging the ship as you propose will be expensive. The current design meets the requirements. By all means provide them with options, ...