Shame, was hoping it was a larger order

Very interesting. How many and for whom....hopefully, we'll find out soon

Any efficiency savings won't be felt by HMG/MoD, they'll benefit BAE. Said savings won't be available to fund new builds for the RN etc Understand your point, but disagree. It will reduce the amount of cost blow up, and reduce the amount of “ additional money” required to be payed by HMG :D So it w...

Not sure what you mean. The "frigate factory hall" is a hall. Manpower to weld, install, and integrate everything is unchanged. The hall will make their life easy, and reduce the risk of schedule delay. Good. But it does not necessarily improve the production speed, I think? In Scottish w...

The MoD will be fitted for but not with a Secretary of State

Jensy wrote: ↑27 Jul 2023, 13:36 I thought this, from Private Eye, was rather amusing!

And over budget, too?

Let's hope it doesn't fall apart too quickly or else we'll have Germany sniffing around Tempest looking to get in on the act

Caribbean wrote: ↑14 Jun 2023, 11:44 Will this plant also be capable of building reactors for the planned 10 SMRs?

That would be nice, but HMG seem intent on not seizing the initiative on SMRs...

More than 7 SSN for UK????

Using which engine I wonder? The Rolls / Kale engine hasn't started development yet. I don't see how Turkey avoids an interim fighter purchase, whether it is Typhoon or something else. I don't see any other alternative to Typhoon but I think Eurofighter (and respective governments) need to get on w...

Hardly much better...

….discount the Arsenal ship - too many imponderables. Why not use the T31s as the Arsenal ships? So when they are on carrier escort duty they add 32 silos queued by the T83. Makes sense. Even adding just CAMM to the Goalkeeper T31s would vastly increase the defensive capabilities of the CSG. If qua...

Arguing for arguments sake, the pair of you. Geo was on his mission to savagely cut defense spending in pursuit of his financially illiterate idea that a balanced budget should be achieved at all costs. He refused to pay for T26GP and commissioned an ex-Babcock's guy to write a shipbuilding "s...

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1666122246899871750?cxt=HHwWjMC97eTWoJ8uAAAA Still a bit shocked by the whole thing :wtf: Awful. I read that the Russian's allowed the volume to increase before blowing it, to cause maximum damage. We'll not know the full extend of the tragic loss of life, homes an...

Reported US DOD buying some of the 60 ex-Dutch Gepards from Jordan for Ukraine through an intermediary, how many of the 60 involved under the contract not mentioned. The Gepard has been reported to have been very effective in Ukraine (the Dutch version uses different radars to the German version). ...

Reported US DOD buying some of the 60 ex-Dutch Gepards from Jordan for Ukraine through an intermediary, how many of the 60 involved under the contract not mentioned. The Gepard has been reported to have been very effective in Ukraine (the Dutch version uses different radars to the German version). ...

Ron5 wrote: ↑21 May 2023, 14:41 Wouldn't surprise me that the investigation phase determined that the Mk 41's were not the greatest addition. The T31's have a very minimal sensor set which doesn't really help.

Let us enjoy the possibility whilst we can, Ron

Ron5 wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 14:25

dmereifield wrote: ↑18 May 2023, 21:09

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑18 May 2023, 20:53

serge750 wrote: ↑18 May 2023, 20:43 12 uk F35 & 12 us marine atleast.... pow this time ?????

Surely by 2025 the target must 24x UK F35s? That would be quite a sight if it could be done.

What is the plan for CSG2024?

That's mine and Ron's target...not sure it's the MoDs....

and I'm getting nervous

Me too

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑18 May 2023, 20:53

serge750 wrote: ↑18 May 2023, 20:43 12 uk F35 & 12 us marine atleast.... pow this time ?????

Surely by 2025 the target must 24x UK F35s? That would be quite a sight if it could be done.

What is the plan for CSG2024?

That's mine and Ron's target...not sure it's the MoDs....

Generally positive news, but "we intend to" is not the same as "we are going to" and nowhere does it indicate that this will be at the build stage. If this is part of some distant future upgrade post build then its liable to be cancelled or postponed and never come about

Why has Ukraine denied responsibility, then?

We need the current government to sign up to some Gordon Brown style Carrier contracts to be sure of that.... I hope they do..... The looming UK general election must be a slight concern to the Japanese government, in this critical moment when the embryonic corporate structure of Tempest is being f...

We need the current government to sign up to some Gordon Brown style Carrier contracts to be sure of that....

Was there ever amy doubt....

I think the numbers will be way more than than the 120-180 people here suggest. My imho my view is ~250 units. The lesson from the Ukraine war is the need to have combat mass, and with the UK being involved in the European theatre, and now a toe in the "Indo-Pacific" theater - the UK will...