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by Repulse
27 Feb 2024, 15:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 957
Views: 311486
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Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

Echo is slower than River B1. Larger and hence needs more maintenance. No merit as a patrol asset, I can find? Absolutely agree the B1 Rivers are faster, however the Echos were designed to operate off board systems and act as a MCM mothership. Given the larger underwater threat in UK waters from Ru...
by Repulse
27 Feb 2024, 15:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

But being able to load ARCIMS isn't the justification for T32 or any other class of five frigates. So what is the justification for the T32 class? As a second batch of T31s there isn’t one That's a somewhat scurrilous statement... Depends on your PoV - without going down another rabbit hole, my vie...
by Repulse
27 Feb 2024, 13:10
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: General UK Defence Discussion
Replies: 1842
Views: 183943
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Re: General UK Defence Discussion

Total defence spend excluding the US is in the order of $400bn, five times that of Russia. For me the key issue isn’t money, it’s ensuring that there is the right mix of capabilities - to make it work not all countries can be mirrors of each other with similar (relatively low level) kit. This is why...
by Repulse
27 Feb 2024, 10:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 957
Views: 311486
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Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

Anyone know what the Echo Class crane could handle? Appreciate the A-frame probably isn't up to the task. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/HMS_ECHO_H87.jpg/1920px-HMS_ECHO_H87.jpg Wonder how much life we could have gotten from them if the money (and crew) was there. The cra...
by Repulse
27 Feb 2024, 08:31
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: General UK Defence Discussion
Replies: 1842
Views: 183943
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Re: General UK Defence Discussion

Even if more money was thrown into the defence bucket it wouldn’t be able to spend it effectively. Much better would be for defence to argue for specific funding for UOR projects, whilst sorting out its house (or literally houses).
by Repulse
27 Feb 2024, 08:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Poiuytrewq wrote: 27 Feb 2024, 06:47
tomuk wrote: 26 Feb 2024, 18:08 But being able to load ARCIMS isn't the justification for T32 or any other class of five frigates.
So what is the justification for the T32 class?
As a second batch of T31s there isn’t one
by Repulse
27 Feb 2024, 08:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

But being able to load ARCIMS isn't the justification for T32 or any other class of five frigates. Maybe not, but having the ability to operate boats larger than a pacific 24 is pretty fundamental for modern warship designs. Is it? What frigates and destroyers can handle a bigger than 9.5m boat? Ty...
by Repulse
26 Feb 2024, 20:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

But being able to load ARCIMS isn't the justification for T32 or any other class of five frigates. Maybe not, but having the ability to operate boats larger than a pacific 24 is pretty fundamental for modern warship designs. Is it? What frigates and destroyers can handle a bigger than 9.5m boat? Ty...
by Repulse
26 Feb 2024, 18:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

tomuk wrote: 26 Feb 2024, 18:08 But being able to load ARCIMS isn't the justification for T32 or any other class of five frigates.
Maybe not, but having the ability to operate boats larger than a pacific 24 is pretty fundamental for modern warship designs.
by Repulse
25 Feb 2024, 16:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

How would that cost if built in british yard ? Wonder how much all the desirable sensors & weopons would cost....1/2 to 2/3 of the cost of a T26 Still think there is a need for small number of cheaper ships ( or more investment ) for all the tasks that are demanded of the RN So this is my think...
by Repulse
25 Feb 2024, 16:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Not sure. As already noted, MHPC is dead, and it is MHC and Rive B2 OPV. You right it is currently dead, though equally it can be revived if needed - it’s just a label in my view. Then, on the patrol aspects of MCMVs. MCM USVs with RWS and sensor kits can be a good sentry, already. A 4000-8000t PSV...
by Repulse
25 Feb 2024, 15:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Scimitar54 wrote: 25 Feb 2024, 14:54 Repulse wrote:-
£4.2bn for the 5 batch 2 T26s.
That figure is an RN provided figure!
https://www.baesystems.com/en-uk/articl ... in-glasgow
by Repulse
25 Feb 2024, 15:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I would joined the Dutch,Belgium and French program and built around 6-8 vessels… Absolutely - 8 would allow the RN to commit a vessel permanently each to SNMCMG1, SNMCMG2 and Kipion, plus one “on call” for anything happening in UK waters. Make it 10 and we’ve answered the B1 River replacement requ...
by Repulse
25 Feb 2024, 15:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

How would that cost if built in british yard ? Wonder how much all the desirable sensors & weopons would cost....1/2 to 2/3 of the cost of a T26 Still think there is a need for small number of cheaper ships ( or more investment ) for all the tasks that are demanded of the RN So this is my think...
by Repulse
25 Feb 2024, 14:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

How would that cost if built in british yard ? Wonder how much all the desirable sensors & weopons would cost....1/2 to 2/3 of the cost of a T26 Still think there is a need for small number of cheaper ships ( or more investment ) for all the tasks that are demanded of the RN So this is my think...
by Repulse
25 Feb 2024, 14:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

serge750 wrote: 25 Feb 2024, 13:36 I see them as place holders until the big guns arrive, so for me the med would be ok, along with EOS & also escorting - showing presence for Russians/non NATO ships around the UK - so I think 5 is enough !
Which part of the Med? How many EoS?
by Repulse
25 Feb 2024, 14:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I would joined the Dutch,Belgium and French program and built around 6-8 vessels… Absolutely - 8 would allow the RN to commit a vessel permanently each to SNMCMG1, SNMCMG2 and Kipion, plus one “on call” for anything happening in UK waters. Make it 10 and we’ve answered the B1 River replacement requ...
by Repulse
25 Feb 2024, 13:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I would joined the Dutch,Belgium and French program and built around 6-8 vessels… Absolutely - 8 would allow the RN to commit a vessel permanently each to SNMCMG1, SNMCMG2 and Kipion, plus one “on call” for anything happening in UK waters. Make it 10 and we’ve answered the B1 River replacement requ...
by Repulse
25 Feb 2024, 13:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

tomuk wrote: 24 Feb 2024, 23:53 Why are we discussing MCMs in the Escort thread?
Perhaps because given the lack of planned future MCM motherships the escorts are going to have to fill most of the gap?
by Repulse
25 Feb 2024, 13:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

serge750 wrote: 25 Feb 2024, 13:08 Still think there is a need for small number of cheaper ships ( or more investment ) for all the tasks that are demanded of the RN
Which of the current ones do you think need this?
by Repulse
25 Feb 2024, 11:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Given the first T31 is being launched this year, unless I’ve missed it there seems a lack of recent information on what it will have out of the box, does anyone have any links? All the discussion seems to be based on what people want it to be rather than what it is - how many CAMM will it have (all ...
by Repulse
24 Feb 2024, 14:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Archer Class Patrol & Training Vessel (PBR) (RN)
Replies: 133
Views: 59580
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Re: Archer Class Patrol & Training Vessel (PBR) (RN)

- "a SeaClass would be a bad choice". Why? If we take off the "training cabin" from SeaClass 15, it can be virtually a larger brother of ARCIMS USV. It can be used as USVs in war time by adding the same remote control system, and do the real job elsewhere around Britain and UK's...
by Repulse
22 Feb 2024, 20:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

So how are the GP T23s contributing to any of the wide area AAW ABM/hypersonic seakimmers/Darth Vadar light sabre threats? They're not. Fact is the T31s are on contract. Lump it. I'm advocating upspeccing them so they can be a rather useful asset in several hotpot and task group scenarios without h...
by Repulse
22 Feb 2024, 19:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

It isn't an obsession it is realty five are on order to replace the five T23 GP. The T31 isn't mediocre it provides a platform that is inherently easy to maintain, requires lower crewing and provides great range and capability cost effectively. It can scale from a more than competent light frigate ...
by Repulse
22 Feb 2024, 18:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19147
Views: 7055479
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

That's a purist argument, driven by the excellence of T45s optimised wide area AAW design, radar fit, etc. Maybe, but when we map it against priorities - wide area sea skimming, hypersonic and ballistic missile defence for the UK, CSG and allied shipping it’s what’s needed and we do not have enough...