….what are the cons of a JLV? In their place, nothing. In an effort to move the debate on a little. A few simple questions. 1. How many other nations are considering deleting their full Amphibious fleets to replace them with a class of joint logistics vessels? 2. If funding was more generous what w...

Repulse wrote: ↑01 Jul 2023, 09:40 I personally think it’s a mistake to go for a single MRSS class…

The Dutch will not want to replace their Enforcers with 3 Joint Logistic Vessels regardless of what the HMT bean counters are pushing.

For this reason alone adding the Dutch to the Amphib replacement program is great news.

a) LHD's are intensive to operate and it would just reduce total fleet capacity. Based on what? b) I would rather have a ship without a well deck so it could focus on air ops rather than taking up a lot of space for a well deck. Great. So you are now proposing LPDs without floodable docks that may ...

Sorry… Why are you sorry? ..when has there ever been a platform with a LHD version and a LPD/LSD version??? I will wait. and wait more. Don’t wait too long. The Enforcer class was designed with LHD and LPD variants decades ago. RN asked for a modified design for a class of 4 LSDs. Lots in the water...

Pursuing an LHD would be unwise… Disagree. RN needs LHDs to fully utilise future drone technology as it evolves. Relying on only two CVF’s to launch/recover large numbers of MALE drones to protect the FCF would be unwise. The F35s have a role to play but an additional vessel concentrating on drones...

More dissenting voices.

https://www.forces.net/services/army/uk ... ence-chief

Something that looked like the Karel Doorman, but worked like the Bay Class would be perfect! Im not sure the basic Enforcer design has altered that much apart from exterior aesthetics. The LHD, LPD, LSD variants where designed years ago. 9B2BD19F-1143-4F4E-8B1A-947DEC91CA56.jpeg If that’s not work...

Repulse wrote: ↑30 Jun 2023, 18:55

Tempest414 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2023, 15:01 Even I feel like that

It’s impossible to follow

It would be a lot easier if the quotes were cut down a bit!

Thats more like it! https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britain-and-netherlands-to-develop-new-assault-ship/ Hopefully Enforcer based and LHD, LPD and LSD variants on the same hull. Karel Doorman would be a good place to start. More here: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-netherlands-confirm-fut...

It's totally going to change, and that seems to be with a focus on smaller security/special operations. However if the Royal Marines want to survive they need the capability to create an entry to theatre from nothing. Without, the marines become the RAF regiment of the sea, necessary, but it doesn'...

….a Brigade sized operation and that's about it... Every time you think the decline has bottomed out and then another review happens. The difference is this time the dissenting voices are coming from those still in post and direct criticism from the US on the size of the UK armed forces is pretty u...

Threats are evolving.

https://www.navylookout.com/countering- ... -vehicles/

The amphibious platforms need to be big cavernous vessels , which goes against best practice for vessels carrying explosives and expected to survive a fight. Furthermore, combining roles makes the design way more complex, will likely mean half as many ships. Continuing to play devils advocate. Is t...

I don't doubt that the various options you provide wouldn't be sensible configurations for a 3Cdo designed to maximise EMF Rather than thinking type 32 and MRSS we should be thinking Type 31 and Type 32 together to support the LRG Just to be clear I still believe the UK should procure 3x LHD, 3x LS...

shark bait wrote: ↑ Amphibious forces should no be the primary focus of the T32, that is a role for the MRSS.

If you have a MRSS why do you need a T32?

Why not a T31 and a MRSS?

Where is the rationale?

tomuk wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023, 14:32 We need a larger Batch 3 River so we can keep up with the Jonses.

Sorted.

I did think that an increase in tempo was coming when they announced a new assembly building at Barrow & started recruiting. It was also stated that the current building can handle more concurrent builds than it currently is. Will the increase in tempo reduce build time or just have more boats ...

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/defence-ministers-speech-at-full-spectrum-air-defence-conference …our Royal Navy is building its Future Air Dominance System. Likely to comprise the new Type 83 Class platforms – which will one day replace Type 45 – these are more than just ships. They are a di...

Why are you attempting to cross an arleigh Burke level of vertical launch missile tubes with an lpd esq level of marine/helicopter embarkation all because of an interpretation of a what a littoral response group is trying to be, something it’s not. If you remove capability from the T31 then it isn’...

donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑28 Jun 2023, 12:31 Here I assume the 2nd hull’s crew comes from disbanding Argus.

If the RFA headcount issues can’t be resolved by 2032 they never will be.

I don’t think the RN knows what the type 32 concept is yet with any certainty. I agree but regardless only so much can be achieved in a given hull size. Therefore the options are pretty clear, as are the compromises and the limitations. What does doing the T32 concept properly entail? i.e. What rol...

RN says the refit will take 2 years. Navy Lookout says 3 to 4 years. Whichever, it’s a long time! It’s worth remembering how long major refits take on complicated AAW Destroyers like the T45. Especially when some would have them replaced with only 3 or 4 T83 Crusiers rather than like for like replac...

That's trying to do too much with the frigate form factor. Really don’t see where you’re coming from tbh. You’re looking at trying to make a frigate a lpd equivalent. A frigates is a frigate this design is offering flexibility as a frigate. My point is: If RN really wants to do the T32 concept prop...

Chally 3 will be entirely bespoke, re-built in tiny numbers with zero chance of export. It's the Nimrod MR4A of the tank world if you like. It would be interesting to know what mixture of vehicles the Army would select if starting from a clean slate tomorrow morning? Done properly this low point co...

Don't you think a wide hangar is more important than a long flight deck? I think it’s a stability issue. RN have had so many opportunities to procure Absalon but it’s clearly not an option. The T32 concept will only work properly when the beam is widened and the LOA exceeds 150m. If that is achieve...