Yep if they continue this nonsense both programs should be cancelled.

Belfast, London or Cardiff, they’ll go for the capitals

Engaging strategy It’s not political imposed delays it was the failure to live within there budget. Time and again the mod cannot do it. Time and again the mod will pack in programs without having enough headroom to cover cost growth. And guess what we’re here again! ‘So the solution was a reprofili...

Engaging strategy Do you really think you pay for something when you order it? The budget maybe ring fenced but we’re still paying for it now. As the got lord adm west said recently everyone knew the carriers would cost more than the 3.7b max budget agreed. But then it’s an old mod problem get a pro...

The price of carrier strike, a price that will continue to grow and a navy high command prepared to gut a navy to pay for a capability that will now be a shadow of what was initially envisaged. Chickens of sdsr15 are starting to come home to roost. Blaming everything on carrier strike is a tired ca...

The price of carrier strike, a price that will continue to grow and a navy high command prepared to gut a navy to pay for a capability that will now be a shadow of what was initially envisaged. Chickens of sdsr15 are starting to come home to roost.

Venari-85 is perhaps what we should be spending the type31 budget on. Can probably undertake the same martine security tasks as a type31 could, yet this is actually useful in that mcmv and survey are vital and growing tasks all over the world and we might actually be able to sell some of these.

Perhaps we’re looking at 12 French FTI type frigates instead of 8 type26 and 5 type 31.

Is type 26 perhaps the equivalent to the US navy seawolf submarine.

I understand, thank you very much Well if you do then you’ll know this “Nowhere near what it has experienced in the past decade plus, with Typhoon and Voyager sucking away all that money. ”. Is complete nonsense. Phil did fix it however he left and they let the services loose in the sweety shop in ...

Clearly you don't understand the voyager contract. You don't at any stage buy a/c. There is no upfront acquisition cost. Every year they pay around £350m pounds to buy a service that service includes training, maintenance and some personnel. The 10b pound number often quoted is what defence will of ...

"Maybe cap the F35b purchase at 80 aircraft and try to buy 12-20 B21s for a true long range" I think it's being wildly optimistic that we'll be buying as many as 80 f35 in the first place. There is many many other things the airforce could invest in before we get to buying b21. Mind u it w...

Im not overly sure what type 31 is trying to achieve other than digging the navy of an escort ship crisis having said for a nearly a decade and a half it want quality over quantity and having said it's future deployment cycle will move from standing tasks to carrier group operations it's seems to ha...

Sure about that I thought block 3i was only released in mid 2016 and any a/c up to and including LRIP 8 were 2B of which the UK would own 8 a/c

Timmymagic wrote:All true. Never quite worked out the Italy and Kuwait connection. Always thought the UK had more clout, the Italians weren't that active in 91...

The Kuwait airforce pilots do there training in Italy.

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That and all the really clever much vaunted software bit they can't get to work in block 3 has been shunted over to block 4. Not to mention any weapon beyond a paveway 4 or asraam for the uk!

Ahh but f35 was gonna be different, easily upgradable the I phone plane. Not like all those old legacy jets!

Wonder what block 3 to 4 will be like

The 9th country to operate the jet not bad for the jet everyone loves to hate.

All we need now is for our naval industry to sell anything to anyone to keep it off life support.

It's not 1900 and we don't have an empire to protect. I don't think we as a country know what our strategic aim is or how we see ourselves and our role in the world. Whether by accident or design, the UK's (and US's) consistent aim since ww2 has been to enable and help shape a liberal, rules based ...

I not sure why the army has ended up at 82,000 it certainly seems ill configured for the future. Trying to re fight a fulda gap Cold War seems ill conceived. However I'm not sure what a proper RN is or what it would really contribute beyond what it does at present. I'm not seeing why we need to spen...

I don't disagree with the premise but to look at it from another angle many view what the mod spends money on as vanity projects too. Regardless of that wishing for more money to cure the ills of mod doesn't work. They need to pay for whatever equipment maintenance real estate and people the budget ...

We're spending beyond our means as a country it's why we're in so much debt so regardless of what we'd like to spend, the budget is what it is. Aspirations need to match fiscal reality do we need to be a global military player or a major regional power with the ability to contribute modest capabilit...

Is it not being funded properly or is the funds we do have being badly spent on over ambitious projects for a country the size of the UK. Are we still struggling to accept we're not the worlds policeman, are we still trying to deploy at a scale beyond that required of a major regional power. Should ...

The piper must be paid. When over ambition meets fiscal reality this is the outcome. SDSR 10 was the reality on the force structure for a budget the size of ours this is the price of carrier strike and casd.

Well similar stories about reducing the army by a further 7000 and fast jets assigned to sqns reducing from 12a/c to 9 suggests they are indeed serious.

There has been some commentary coming out of Dsei that due to budgetary and manpower issues the navy is considering the permanent mothballing of 2 type 45s and the amphib fleet, I'm sure if Babcock are so sure they can meet the cost there proposal will be fixed price were any cost overrun is bore en...