Small VDS have been fitted to small craft for decades, the Russians fitted systems based on Helicopter dipping sonars onto the multitude of small ASW vessels. But the technology has vastly move forward. See this "fishery" sonar movie. Fishery, not military... but surely if a SSK happens t...

Some more images of the BAE Type 31 model at Euronaval with 57mm gun. https: //twitter.com/FauteuilColbert/status/1054828602934595589 Great photos (although a little in the smoke). I could not stop picking up them here. BAES model with 57 mm gun, newer design, presumably. BAE1.jpg BAE2.jpg BAE3.jpg...

Interesting concept, but not clear in their article. Initiated from it, we can search several examples for sonars to be carried on it, as well as other candidate hulls. We do not need to invent it, there are some examples around the globe. They tell us the efficiency of those assets. For me, it shal...

I think, the model in Euronaval 2018 Camell Laired's booth is more a "remnant" of BAE Cutlass concept. See below. Actually, if you carefully look at Xav-san's photo, there are boat opening mark in the middle of the hull. TWSTACGEOJBQHDZOLOERQ2FB7E.jpg while that in BAES booth is more Leand...

I'm not sure where to post this but it will potentially have an impact on the T31 and/or the MHC programme. It's not good news... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/babcock-international-set-to-scrap-appledore-shipyard-in-devon-d0bltzcrk https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/has-hms-babcock-been-holed...

Babcock do not have experience of building complex escort. In general, if you do not know how to build "complex something", you tend to under-estimate the work load (minimum 20%, and in worst case a factor of 2). This is well known bias. So, I won't be surprised if Babcock CEO made a mista...

Donald-san confused by your graphic as it shows Arrowhead 140 starting at ~£280M, whereas assuming Babcock when they proposed it had confidence they could build it within budget of £1,250M for 5 ships. The advantage to Babcock of the Arrowhead 140 was ~90% detail design available as taken straight ...

I don't have a problem with any of the above and I have always supported the idea behind the T31 programme. It's replacing T23's with something like Leander is the part I don't like. I could see the sense in something like Venator or Arrowhead 140 but Leander just seems like a dead end to me. It ha...

6x T26's unaltered 5x T26 lite's. Artisan, 76mm, 24 CAMM, 8 Mk41 cells, 2x 30mm's, 2x Phalanx and 2150/2087. As opposed to, 8x T26's unaltered 5x Leanders Maybe the choice is as clear as that. Take your pick. The difference between you and me is mainly because of cost estimation. My plan for 2 more...

If the T26 programme is reduced by 2 hulls down to 6 that saves around £1.7bn. Added to this would be the T31 budget of £1.25bn. Combined around £3bn. That would mean the first 6 hulls would cost around £6.3bn. BAE would then be asked to reschedule the T26 production line for 12 hulls. This would r...

Thanks. But if there is such money, I think RN should have proceeded with "13 T26" plan. That is in effect what Jake1992 and I are proposing. The difference is to have a less expensive variant to allow RN to get the number of Frigates it needs within budget.. ...The proposal is to use the ...

...In my opinion the UK needs to build a vessel at a FTI/PPA equivalent price point that is better than the competition and the easiest way to do that is to start with the T26 hull. A smaller T26 with out the dedicated mission bay say a combine hanger and mission space, Merlin flight deck reduced a...

Leander vs Khareef. (analysis) スクリーンショット 2018-10-19 23.31.34.png Clearly, reusing many of the design. Even the width of the hangar is the same (even though the height differs). Not only bow section, but all though to the SSM location, it is completely "a copy and paste". スクリーンショット 2018-10...

https://mobile.twitter.com/hms_argyll/status/1051296820360568832 Nice photo. I see - 1 Type-23 (Argyll) frigate - 2 Singapore navy Formidable frigates * 1 ANZAC-NZ (almost original design) (HMNZS Te Mana) - 1 ANZAC-RAN mod * 1 Malaysian Lekiu class light frigate - 1 Malaysian Katsuri-class corvette ...

Good info/photos from Shark-bait-san's twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/LandSharkUK/status/1052836422904832000 I think the reason RN and USN do not have this large hangar is - damage control. See FFG7 and A Burk Fl-2&3, having separate hangar for 2 helos. A read somewhere that it is because o...

In other words, if the average sea going days per hull in 2010-2014 is kept, we need only 8.3 hulls in 2015-2018. More sensationally, current RN tasks can be covered with only 8.3 Type-23. It matches our impression that "deployed" escort number has decreased significantly these days. No A...

You are right. RN shall fight for "more money" and "more man power". But, the man-power "lost" from T23 = 840 amounts to "PoW crew". HMS Illustrious (650) and Ocean (285) were providing the other 800 crew for QNLZ (some 100 are lost elsewhere). QECV manpower &...

Before going into "bright" future discussion, the sea-going days of Type-23 is concerning. https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Commons/2018-10-10/177797/ Sea going days are, 103.7 days per year (or 28.5% of 365 days, or 8.64...

https://www.parliament.uk/business/publ ... 10/177797/

Now sell the rivers and T31, then build 20 multi mission ships. That's far more elegant. I hear talk about the need to 'rebalance' the RN's fleet, perhaps its correct, but at the moment the plan is swinging way to far to the low end. ?? Your "20 multi mission ships" are high end? At least...

Ron5 wrote:No Type 22's were sent mine hunting in the Falklands. No Type 26 will be either.

Type-21 was sent to see if they will sink by mine or not. Fact.

Because she was not sunk, amphibious fleet go into Falkland strait and San Carlos bay.

What I meant is, having larger hangar is NOT related to it being "steel is cheap and air is free" saga. Some looks cheap, some are expensive. - For me, the clear example for "steel is cheap and air is free" saga is Bays and Points. I can add Floreal-class, it has a large hangar. ...

Done some checking, they never had ASW Merlins just the utility variants and the Danish Air Force still has 14. The Navy is replacing its Lynx with Romeos. Steel is cheap and air is free, the Super Lynx made to look small in Absalon hanger sized for the Merlin Nice photo. But, I think it is unrelat...

Donald-san apologies if answered before why do you not believe "steel is cheap and air is free" argument. I take the opposite view based on the Danish Abslon and Iver Huitfeldt class ship designs. The Iver Huitfeldt 6,600 ton class was $340M per ship, understand the basic hull was built i...