Define ' real war' ?? Can't believe there's me defending Leander..lol!

where did the image of a Leander with a 4.5 inch gun come from is it CL/ BAE if so that is that must be the RN saying what it wants I took it straight from CL/BAE's new web site, http://www.leanderfrigate.com/design/gallery , second image in. Its even clearer from the new CGI on the main page. I tr...

Have they de-commissioned Sau Paulo (Foch) or will they be running on the two?

OK , so Ive just spent part of the bank holiday ( sad I know!) trying to decipher CL's new site and the team Leander bid. Do we now think they are the only game in town? Since the MoD made their somewhat surprising announcement to suspend the whole thing and then the re-start happened Babcock seem t...

Interesting , and a really impressive turn around from RN decommissioning and return to service under the Brazilian flag - under twelve months? Well done them! What are the landing craft hanging from her davits, their own type or did they buy her LCVP ? Ocean will always be my all time favorite RN s...

QE is not visible, but RFA Tiderace has just left Portland. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlCSwOAW0AAKNX0.jpg (Photo: Bernie Benford, Tweeted by Navy Lookout on 20th August 2018) Cant quiet zoom in close enough on this PC but does it look like Tiderace has already been fitted with 2 x 30mm while QE h...

Just managed to watch the Leander video on the new site (DII wouldn't let me view) and it most definitely is a 4.5 Mk 8. Looks like with the exception of Phalanx nearly all the hardware would appear to have been ported over from the T23 ; Artesan, CAMM, 4.5 inch gun , Harpoon canisters , even decoy ...

Note that it states, Electric drive speed is 12knots, with 700kWx2 = 1400 kW power. About time we have a modern propulsion system proposed for the next generation! Finally this might be something that is ASW capable, it is just a little bit slow. The Damen Sigma 10514 LRP 2,575 tons 107 x 14 x 3.75...

benny14 wrote:
This one seems to show a 4.5 on the front.

Most definitely a Mk8 indeed......

Anyone else think that the Echo Class are crying out for a single Phalanx fitted aft of the bow and forward of the heli pad in front of the bridge? Clearly not as a permanent fixture for all deployments but perhaps drawn from the same pool as the RFA's. Always struck me as odd how we routinely fit P...

Problem with the Mk8 is there isn't the slightest chance of any advanced long-range precision guided rounds ever being developed for it. And that's the future. So retire it ASAP. However it's clearly not worthwhile to fit Mk45 to the T23s. I really think the fleet needs an advanced 57mm or 76mm. Re...

So, virtually, it is only Artisan and CAMM, and 30mm guns, which could be re-used from T23. I'd also prefer a 5" gun but that seems to be ruled out on expense. Sad. A 3" seems rather weenie. Wouldn't scare me much either on another ship or land. I don't buy the claims they have a useful A...

I wasn't expecting any concept work or mock up to be unveiled, so that's a surprise. I have to state though that I'm completely underwhelmed by the Tempest design. The BAE Replica concept from many years ago looked more advanced and sleeker than this. I trust this is just an early idea that will qu...

Well I hope sincerely that you are right and we shall see however Babcock have maintained throughout that they believe it achievable within that price; "The plan for the Type 31 has been criticized as being unlikely to meet its hard cost ceiling, but Babcock Marine Chief Executive John Howie di...

Is that the same airframe as our P8's ? If so make a lot of sense in terms of logistics , however it looks a lot smaller to my untrained eye?

benny14 wrote: We know the vehicles will have Protector RWS, which is capable of been equipped with a Javelin. We dont know if it will or wont have ATGM fitted, we wont know until we start seeing Ajax and Boxer operational.

That one's easy, this is the British Army we are talking about here, it wont!

I think the debate about whether Babcock can deliver this ship for the required £250m is pretty semantic. Surely they wouldn't have bothered if they thought they could not? The fact that the Dane's built there's for £308m in today's money back in 2008 is also a bit of a red herring methinks. The Ive...

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Is this one of our T45's that are spending 'so little time at sea' ?

It seems like Poland is saying they arrived 4th. Challenger is 7th, just ahead of the Ukrainians, at least according to Wikipedia. And QRH social media conveniently fell silent on the matter. Don't listen to Wikipedia, there's been people shifting places on it all day, mostly to put the US team hig...

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Aethulwulf wrote:T26s on the other hand do have a degree of AAW on top of the anti sub stuff.)

Especially if we have the foresight to allow a mission tailored mix of CAMM/CAMM-ER

Thank you Gabs as always and I stand corrected but my point about Chinook remains, and Gabs loves Nick Carter too, almost as much as me ! Of course USMC Osprey were a regular visitor to Ocean and we hope to QE too....

It most certainly was not USAF Chinook ! Dont think I ever saw USAF embarked, they were 18 and 27 Squadron aircraft out of Odiham, rotated all the time.Funny how you only really appreciate something now she has gone.....

Agree in full. It was very rare to see Ocean going anywhere without at least a couple of Chinooks carried onboard. Good news about Gen. Carters appointment as CDS - NOT!

Gabriele wrote:They were purchased for 39 million in 2012...

I take it that was £39 Million GBP each ?

Arrowhead 120 states it has a Merlin capable flight deck and hangar for SH-60 NH-90 if type 31 is to be a true export success these should be a base line for this part of the ships capability. The sales chap seemed to have little idea for how this ship could be used it was almost like you can throw...