Why is it? What’s the priority - utter nonsense
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- 12 Apr 2024, 09:00
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5664
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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- 11 Apr 2024, 22:07
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5664
- Views: 1482263
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
I am not arguing against your points only that unless the budget rises adding additional T26 will do nothing to address the problems with fleet balance. It’s not a priority if a balanced fleet is the goal. • The cost of 2x T26 would probably procure another 10x P8 at £200m unit. What impact would t...
- 11 Apr 2024, 18:44
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5664
- Views: 1482263
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Yes, 100%. Why? Because they drunk the cool aid that you can have the same effect with cheaper ships ignoring the requirement. The threat to Australia and the region is not going to be solved by GP assets with compromised ASW capabilities. Chinas threat is going to be subsurface and its CBGs. Well ...
- 11 Apr 2024, 18:17
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5664
- Views: 1482263
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
A couple of reminders that a good ASW ship isn’t about just adding a modularised TAS.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/i-went- ... b-frigate/
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/the-typ ... -is-quiet/
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/i-went- ... b-frigate/
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/the-typ ... -is-quiet/
- 11 Apr 2024, 09:55
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Multi-Role Support Ships (MRSS)
- Replies: 77
- Views: 12738
Re: Multi-Role Support Ships (MRSS)
I think an interesting example of a company type operation by the Royal Marines and type of ship required for it , is the 2002 45 commando company deployment for operation anaconda. Would probably require a CVF, but doable. I would add the operations Paraquet and Highbrow and ones that should be mo...
- 11 Apr 2024, 09:41
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 6128
- Views: 1858049
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
The only way this has a chance IMO is that this class is the only new one in the 2030s. If the Albions are not to return the replacements are needed now. The luxury of everything being needed a decade away is over for the foreseeable. How much money is going to be pissed away on endless concepts an...
- 11 Apr 2024, 09:38
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5664
- Views: 1482263
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Any illusion that build a new “cheaper” (read compromised) class in a multi-national program and it will be a success is just that, an illusion - albeit sadly one that the Treasury will believe. Are you suggesting the Australians have got it completely wrong with their smaller, more numerous ASW ve...
- 11 Apr 2024, 09:36
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5664
- Views: 1482263
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
The cost isn’t climbing - but yes a few (2-3) more T26s and a few more SSNs would be ideal - however believe it or not the crewing issues are easier to solve above water currently.Tempest414 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2024, 09:23 As the cost of type 26 B2's carries on climbing if we want ASW hunter killers then maybe more SSN's would be better
- 11 Apr 2024, 09:14
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 6128
- Views: 1858049
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
What interested me was the line about how the "budget is different". Which I'm taking as a very diplomatic and polite way of saying what I speculated above... I must admit I took it as the RN dreaming that their unsecured budget was bigger, only for reality to bite later when it’s too lat...
- 11 Apr 2024, 08:05
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 6128
- Views: 1858049
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
The writing has been on the wall since the end of last year
- 11 Apr 2024, 07:58
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5664
- Views: 1482263
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
It’s a fair point, but the last thing we need is another class of ASW frigate I’m not suggesting it’s the best direction of travel but the benefits are clear. • A joint £5bn program with a NATO member to produce 10x next-gen GP Frigates optimised for off-board systems including ASW. • Rosyth is sec...
- 10 Apr 2024, 21:21
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5664
- Views: 1482263
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Well they have but that is also for a submarine fleet renewal and that is expensive and a new air defence system of the patriot variety which isn’t cheap either. That’s a fair point also - just think this is for the BAE to lose and by having another five+ T26s in the North Atlantic is a game changer.
- 10 Apr 2024, 21:20
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5664
- Views: 1482263
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
It’s a MINIMUM of 5 Frigates. Ok, but you don’t write that unless the discussion starts with can five ships meet the requirement. I am not arguing just stating if it is 5x or more T26, when could BAE hope to deliver them and not impact the RN schedule? Conversely, if it was 5x or more ASW optimised...
- 10 Apr 2024, 20:43
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5664
- Views: 1482263
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Ok, but you don’t write that unless the discussion starts with can five ships meet the requirement.
- 10 Apr 2024, 20:25
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5664
- Views: 1482263
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Even with the substantial hike in defence spending, is the Royal Norwegian Navy realistically going to be able to afford 5 x T26? It seems to me that it might be worth them considering either a 2 + 3 or a 3 + 2 mix with T31. Alternatively, 5 x FREMM or similar. 5 FDI or joining the new danish navy ...
- 10 Apr 2024, 11:14
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
- Replies: 570
- Views: 147829
Re: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
I have a feeling that the T32 and MRSS requirements and programs are about to get blurred.
- 09 Apr 2024, 20:34
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Multi-Role Support Ships (MRSS)
- Replies: 77
- Views: 12738
Re: Multi-Role Support Ships (MRSS)
So British ships, even if developed in partnerships, could be significantly different, so Dutch ones could have flight deck while British ones might not. Apologies, spotted the same and posted on the amphibious post. However, I didn’t see the same conclusion, only that the RN needs them to operate ...
- 09 Apr 2024, 20:16
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5477
- Views: 1543154
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
It is and what’s more a CMS isn’t needed to operate it - the Amazonas class does not have one. But people will argue why waste a few £10’s mns whilst arguing we need to waste £100’s mns on light frigates.
- 09 Apr 2024, 20:04
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 6128
- Views: 1858049
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
This armament is therefore mainly intended as a last resort. This means that the ships are better armed than the patrol ships, but there is not much difference. The ATSs are intended for operations in the highest spectrum of violence, such as an amphibious landing. But they must be protected by fri...
- 09 Apr 2024, 13:33
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: AUKUS (in general)
- Replies: 19
- Views: 1062
Re: AUKUS (in general)
Has to be CAUKUS - just waiting for NZ to join so it can be CAUKNZUS
- 09 Apr 2024, 08:10
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5477
- Views: 1543154
- 08 Apr 2024, 20:04
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5477
- Views: 1543154
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Absolutely - it can also easily add additional automated guns port and starboard also. A 40/57mm gun and two dual feed 30mms would future proof the ships for another decade with minimal cost.
- 07 Apr 2024, 20:15
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5477
- Views: 1543154
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Given the reduction in platforms, I would argue a UK based OPV class that can act as a USV/UUV mothership is not a low priority luxury it’s essential. For what purpose? To do what the B1 Rivers to right now - EEZ patrolling, anti terrorism, anti drug trafficking and supporting littoral operations. ...
- 07 Apr 2024, 12:58
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5477
- Views: 1543154
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Given the reduction in platforms, I would argue a UK based OPV class that can act as a USV/UUV mothership is not a low priority luxury it’s essential. For what purpose? To do what the B1 Rivers to right now - EEZ patrolling, anti terrorism, anti drug trafficking and supporting littoral operations.
- 07 Apr 2024, 10:33
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5477
- Views: 1543154
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
I know this is all fantasy and unlikely in the current climate but forgive me this indulgence. No problem with a fantasy fleet, we all have them. My comment is let’s not replace ships that are doing the job rather well already with more expensive ones just because it feels a good idea. It needs to ...