I agree it would not happen for a while but with 1000 Boxers funded plus 400 more wanted 589 Ajax funded 65 M270A2 funded 75 wanted 148 Challenger 3 funded plus more under review 190 wanted AS-90 replacement on going 1 x Deep fires brigade and 3 x Armoured brigades are achievable over time if we in...

could say 6 of these working with the P8's take over TAPS freeing up the Tpye 26

Yes. Babcock don’t have the design depth to build a front line frigate and BAE are too high cost to build an RFA or OPV, it’s not real competition. Quite but H&W along with Navantia or Babcocks buying in a design could build Type 83 but only BAE can design and build T-83 so the other two will b...

If the UK want 2 builders of warships then it has to start looking at a fleet of 38 ships tire 1 built over 30 years tire 2 built over 20 years = cheap 8 AAW destroyers 10 ASW frigates 10 GP frigates 10 MHPC / Sloops As the current fleet of Escorts , OPV's , MCMV's plus Scott & Enterprise stand...

If the UK want 2 builders of warships then it has to start looking at a fleet of 38 ships tire 1 built over 30 years tire 2 built over 20 years = cheap 8 AAW destroyers 10 ASW frigates 10 GP frigates 10 MHPC / Sloops As the current fleet of Escorts , OPV's , MCMV's plus Scott & Enterprise stands...

I agree it would not happen for a while but with 1000 Boxers funded plus 400 more wanted 589 Ajax funded 65 M270A2 funded 75 wanted 148 Challenger 3 funded plus more under review 190 wanted AS-90 replacement on going 1 x Deep fires brigade and 3 x Armoured brigades are achievable over time if we in...

I agree it would not happen for a while but with 1000 Boxers funded plus 400 more wanted 589 Ajax funded 65 M270A2 funded 75 wanted 148 Challenger 3 funded plus more under review 190 wanted AS-90 replacement on going 1 x Deep fires brigade and 3 x Armoured brigades are achievable over time if we in...

I agree it would not happen for a while but with 1000 Boxers funded plus 400 more wanted 589 Ajax funded 65 M270A2 funded 75 wanted 148 Challenger 3 funded plus more under review 190 wanted AS-90 replacement on going 1 x Deep fires brigade and 3 x Armoured brigades are achievable over time if we inc...

Your are right but we first need to set out what we want and then equip it. As we have talked about in the past one of the LM brigades needs to be all about the high North so would need to be equipped for the role. To get to a 3rd armoured brigade would need 190 challenger 3 upgrades plus as you sa...

Your are right but we first need to set out what we want and then equip it. As we have talked about in the past one of the LM brigades needs to be all about the high North so would need to be equipped for the role. To get to a 3rd armoured brigade would need 190 challenger 3 upgrades plus as you say...

An article from Deborah Haynes; nothing that most (all?) of us on here haven’t already decried or warned about whether in private or more publicly on this forum: https://news.sky.com/story/us-general-warns-british-army-no-longer-top-level-fighting-force-defence-sources-reveal-12798365 very interest...

For me the way forward is for a new 105-110 meter MHPC class to be designed now with a class of 8 ships to be built. This could allow for Babcocks to build 3 more type 31's and then build 4 of the new MHPC's at the same time BAE would build 1 extra T-26 followed by 4 MHPC and then Type 83. The new M...

While I agree what I put forward is on the optermiistic side I also agree with the point stated earlier on the SSS thread that basing a future fleet make on that is 10 plus years away on the crew numbers of today is very poor planning. Planning of future fleet build should always be based on what t...

All of these points feed into the fact that FCF, MRSS and T32 were aspirations in a completely different global security environment. The tumultuous events of 2022 has changed everything. Funding and planning simply hasn’t caught up yet. Events dear boy events as someone said.. It has shown that th...

What we need is to think bigger and in terms of joint force i.e LRG/N working as a re-enforced battalion battle group enabling entry of a Army light mechanised brigade into the high north and Baltic area of operations as at the same time having LRG/S working as at a re-enforced Company battle group ...

The FCF is all based around highly distributed smaller fighting units, putting aside logistics, the ships deploying this force needs to reflect this. The word "all" is doing some heavy lifting there. Of the three proper commandos, one has been transformed from the Commando21 model to the ...

4 x Tide class 3 x SSS 4 x MRSS This will replace the current operational ships 4 x Tide class 3 x Bays Fort Vic Argus Sounds plausible, effectively the Bays and Argus replaced by the four MRSS. The big question would be what would replace the Albions and that decision would heavily influence the u...

Wouldn’t this concept be best served by not just thinking of it made up solely of the amphibious replacements but also the T32s. My thinking is if we replaced the Albions, Bays and Argus with a fleet of 6 large LPDs / LSDs based off the same hull ( like the USN is doing with LPX and San Antonio ) t...

The Venator 90 is a good looking concept but BMT have moved on to the Venari 85 concept which I would like to see a 100 meter version of with a full hangar

Tempest414 wrote: ↑28 Jan 2023, 12:49 My thinking is that the MRSS…. Repulse wrote: ↑28 Jan 2023, 11:47 The problem I have with the MRSS…. Poluytrewq wrote: I don’t think the MRSS is going to happen. If the future is heavily dependent on naval MALE drones then an MRSS like Ellida is clearly the wro...

Moving over to Amphib thread

Have to say yours looks much more ambitious than mine some stats on MV Baltic Enabler 242 x 35 meters Lower hold 705 lane meters hight 7.2 m Main deck 1925 LM's hight 7.2 meters Upper deck 1827 LM's hight 5.2 meters Weather deck 1985 LM's So for me convert 1/3 of the upper deck into accommodation c...

My thinking is that the MRSS would something like the Point class LSS but based on the bigger Baltic Enabler class with each carrying 3 SSC's and 4 LCVP to allow ship to shore plus the ability to operate 8+ helicopter Very ambitious, I personally would look more towards an evolution of the FSS desi...

My thinking is that the MRSS would something like the Point class LSS but based on the bigger Baltic Enabler class with each carrying 3 SSC's and 4 LCVP to allow ship to shore plus the ability to operate 8+ helicopter

I think for me I would like to see something like NEMO on the Boxers in the ABCT's and Elbit Spear 120mm in the Light Mech BCT's