That’s what I was thinking say get the Boxer 155mm for part of the fleet then using the same gum module on a truck like what the archer uses as a cheaper option. The issues with the Boxer gum still needs to be addressed through, it’s low rate of fire only 6-8 RPM, it’s shorter range at 55km with ex...

both the Archer and Boxer/155mm meet the above OK, which one then? Number of wheeled options available from East Europe like Aleksander or Zuzana. For me wheeled is the route we can go the question then is do we go pretty cheap ( archer ) with is limits in rounds capacity and protection or do we go...

ArmChairCivvy wrote:

Lord Jim wrote:both the Archer and Boxer/155mm meet the above

OK, which one then?

Number of wheeled options available from East Europe like Aleksander or Zuzana.

Both very good articles and really highlight the different attitude to Artillery between the UK and Finland. As pointed out there is a lot of closed terrain in Finland, due to the abundant forests, but that sort of terrain still allows for massed fore with basic HE shells upon a target. How do the ...

As an alternative to being in the AS90 thread: L118 vs 120mm mortar. Quite why Lord Jim keeps insisting the two are equivalent I don’t know, as the light gun has twice (or more) the range of the mortar. They can fill the same niche or they can't, depends on the doctrine. They have different feature...

I would be happy if the planned "Strike" Brigades (prefer to call them Mechanised) had integral Artillery support even if it was just a Regiment of 105mm Light Guns. At present their entire indirect fire support will come from the 16 SP 81mm Mortars on the Boxers and even that is not cert...

was attempting to do the opposite of bragging when stating that we use 105mm Light Guns at Brigade level. I know, was just trying to tease Voldemort (we used to have two Finns here... where has to other one gone?) into giving a rationale why his country has a 122 mm battery as an organic asset with...

Why, just because you say so? Why do rifled 120mm and L118 fill the same niche and what is that niche? From my POV they're all BG/Bn level weapons. None of them should be the sole source of firepower at brigade level organically. For Light forces such as Airborne, Air Mobile or Amphibious, the Rifl...

Do L118 and 120mm mortar need to fill the same niche? Just asking for a friend. Heavy mortars for battalions and artillery for brigade, problem solved. If you are talking about a rifled 120mm Mortar then yes they do fill the same niche, but if you are referring to standard 120mm Mortars than yes th...

The problem with saying that the L118 gives greater ranges artillery than say a rifled 120mm mortar (and the rifled bit is important) is that the range difference is not that great and both a greatly outranged by the artillery that they could possibly face with a peer opponent. Yes against a lesser...

Basically all current high end SPGs are copies of each other, only the solutions made in chassis and turret differ. The guns are the same. The core remains.

Archer doesn't shoot any further than any other JBMOU 155/52cal guns. It's just a marketing gimmick and entirely ammo dependant. All JBMOU compliant guns can use JBMOU special ammo like Excalibur.

Frenchie wrote:Absolutely , although I do not know if this vehicle is small enough to be transported by C-130

Sisu GTP then?

Look no further than Patria 6x6 then.

Lord Jim wrote:I do like how the Finns have organised things, it seems they have a set organisation, and transport is used when applicable

Organisation is set and transport is organic. Jägers in regional troops have either BVs, tractors or XAs as transport.

Suppression eats ammo at fearsome rate no matter what calibre. Suppression would only be used in an under fire extraction of personnel or in the final stage of a section assault. I think what we are referring to is covering fire, ie 'If i stick my head up I MIGHT get slotted' not 'Holy shit if you ...

In Finland all infantry are jägers. The most common type of infantry would be those in battlegroups. The BGs are over 2000 strong, jäger companies depending on whether they're mounted in XAs are 260-300 strong and have 3/4 jäger platoons each 40+ strong depending on vehicle type. Each platoon has c...

In Finland all infantry are jägers. The most common type of infantry would be those in battlegroups. The BGs are over 2000 strong, jäger companies depending on whether they're mounted in XAs are 260-300 strong and have 3/4 jäger platoons each 40+ strong depending on vehicle type. Each platoon has co...

It looks like they are casting the net wide with the ideal, on the understanding that they won’t get it, but judging the balance of what is offered. That said, some of it looks like a typo. 20 rounds per minute? That’s 1 tonne in shells alone. Over 10 minutes it’s more rounds than you’d be likely t...

Lord Jim wrote:as is there use in anything but high intensity warfare.

You make it sound like high intensity is off the table for you guys...

I understand the different situation with AP and AT mines but will a HGV or large 4x4 set off an AT mine? If so then again you need a man in the loop to prevent such occurrences. Given the zero tolerance for civilian casualties you can see the issue. Whether there is still a need for fixed AT minef...

Claymore replacement is already happening, though that one fires "forward" over a wide arch. - there can't be that many companies in Finland making these sorts of things, so probs from the same factory (adjacent production line)? - these sorts as separate from small arms & artillery r...

That's your loss. Imagine the boost in AT capability you could achieve with bottom attack mines and these new AP charges will help you make up for the small headcount in the battlefield.

Finland developes super jumping charge that kills from above. Very excited about this, FDF hopefully ends up buying loads of them. I bet UK could use a few of them.

What UK needs is some proper Finnish hardware.