as another option if 1 type 26 was to be cut they could build 2 or 3 MHCP ships as a stop gap Depend on what the MHPC looks like. 1 T26 needs at least 1.5 years. In current TOBA, it is only 345M GBP. On paper, may be "2 or 3 MHCP ships" is good enough, but it is more complex. What we see ...

With up to 24x Type26 exports in the bag I am suggesting it is now time for HMG to invest in a credible Tier2 design that will export. This will cost money so the windfall from the T26 exports should be reinvested in a simplified T26 design (Tier2) to bring it down to the £500m price point (still w...

Firstly the UK dose have the money but Hammond will not spend it however if we were to go for a carrier group optimized ASW escort at a program cost of 2.25 billion or 450 million per ship we could fund this two ways firstly a simple uplift of 1 billion added to the standing 1.25 budget or second a...

Tempest414-san Thanks. My sole point is, how to realize it. I think we have no luxury to invest for "larger growth margin in case of more investment in future", simply because - it is too optimistic, and in this case such "luxury" will become a complete waste of money (a large sh...

Thanks I don't think it's acceptable to hang around for two years waiting for BAE. The clock is ticking... ...the investment in the Type 26 has paid off. RN need a Tier2 Frigate to back up the T26, the UK shipbuilding sector also need a boost so why not invest again in a T26 derived design to achiev...

A few points... Thanks. 2. You can't just take people from T23s and redistribute them to the Rivers. Each crew is made up of Marine Engineers, Weapon Engineers, Logistics, Operations specialists, etc. Different ships will require different numbers of each specialists. The recruitment, training and ...

So HMS Glasgow needs her crew when?
I think at least on2025, or even one year earlier.

T31 and T26 is competing for their crew. Zero need to hurry T31.

On the "hope for" future 2nd-tier ASW escort. Governing factor is man-power, not hull-number. - Type23 will start decommission from 2023, 1 per year. 5 T23GP, and then 8 T23ASW. The last one will decommission on 2035. - The 1st T26 will be accepted to RN around 2025, not 2027. "Accept...

It leaves little reason for a navy to ask the UK for a light frigate, a world class ASW frigate on the other hand? I take your point but I look at it differently. The UK has beaten the world with the Type 26 design. Tier1 ASW Frigate, clean sweep. Now, why not build on that success? Why not take on...

I might be wrong but, 4 T22, wasn’t them GP frigate? with no tail? But, overall I agree to your argument, feel simpsthy. But, I keep myself more realist. MOD already lost the game, even 8 years ago. As military is reality, we have to face it. Ignoring reality, RN made many mistake, River B2 is the m...

And if we look at T23GP, (almost) 100% of its deployment carries 1 Wildcat. At least in RN use, there is no need for such a hangar. You are 100% correct but the fact remains that the proposal is to remove the Merlin capability in the replacement vessel. Any degradation in capability due to a simple...

- I guess the work-force will go to Plymouth, it will not be lost. - The 4 Irish OPV order was only 40M GBP/year, which is only 2.5% of Babcock's 1.6B GBP revenue. This means, if it is just to maintain the ship yard, Babcock will need only 20-30M GBP/year. This is not small if we think it as directl...

Happy with that piddly little hanger? Yes I am. How hard can a full width hanger be? Whilst we're at it can we have a UAV operations deck on the hanger roof too? It is a 250M GBP cheap cheap very cheap vessel . Each and every design modification make the risk higher, and hence expensive. As an engi...

Caribbean-san
Is it SAR coast guard, as in UK, or EEZ anti-smuggler considered?
If it is former, a RHIB like SAR craft will be needed, but if latter, UK can order patrol craft, such as Damen4207, from Appledore.

Why is it insane? "Make it British" means, BAE CMS is needed. As BAE is with Camell Laired, there is no reason BAE to provide there CMS to Babcock team, if it is pure competition . Only answer will be "Camell Laired wins". Competition works this way. Asking competition, while as...

I going to guess it will return with British system. I'm told that's the reason it was thrown out in the first place, because a Danish ship full of French systems will hardly "Maximise the UK prosperity footprint", like the MOD are asking for as one of their "6 TOP MESSAGES". Th...

Good News! NavyLookout is reporting that the Arrowhead 140 bid is still very much alive! Interesting. Appledore is closed, so build program will be more "focusses", good to reduce cost. If the ship can really built within 250M GBP, it will be a good proposal, although it is still Thales T...

For the lowest cost just use the Army's launcher, the one that already comes with every CAMM missile. You propose this many times. I think, if possible , it is a good idea. But, it is not happening. Why? There should be a reason. I guess it is "impossible" . I guess ExLS is the answer. We...

The comparison between the T31 and the Admiral Gorshkov and 054A is valid as these are the vessels most likely to come up against whatever we end up building. If the comparison is uncomfortable, fine, increase the budget and let's build some proper frigates. Both of these vessels cost less than £25...

1: As I stated many times, my favorite option for "T31e's 1.25B GBP" is "1 more T26 (~700M GBP, including efficiency savings) and 3-4 Floreal-likes (~550M GBP)". The "Floreal-like" can be River-B3 fo BAE design, or a new design such as Babcock Arrowhead OPV series. Beca...

It could be argued that a 16m beam is too narrow for future proofing going forward but if that's the case why is Leander with a 14.6m beam the favourite to win the T31 competition? Sorry, but your comparison candidate is not appropriate, I think. T31 is in the lowest-end of a light-frigate and your...

A very good image showing the current activities of the Royal Navy. With Montrose leaving on Monday for the Gulf, that will be 7 escorts deployed outside of UK waters, with another two active within UK waters. ... Comparison with January 2018. Zero. More ships deployed is good. But, I personally th...

Apologies a small off topic question: how many Frigates would it take to keep two forward based deployments going? Assuming a 3yr forward deployment and 18 months tranversing to and from the U.K. and a refit - I’d see the minimum as 3 ships. Crew needs training, ship needs maintenance, so nothing c...

@ Donald-san - Thanks for reply, a few questions Source of your £750M figure for future buy of T26, the MOD engaged in deliberate obscurification to hide build cost by just giving total overall £3.7 B programme cost when announcing order for the first 3 ships. (3,700 less 750 x 3 = 2,250 leaves bal...

I didn't say "big" or "large", I said as big as possible. Umm, then what is your point? We know T23 had a hull extension plan, but never executed. So clearly "as big as possible" is defined by cost. In that regard, T21 or T42 could also have been "as big as possib...