It looks like none of the variants met the mod requirements though but the issues of vibration noise etc was suppressed for years while they blamed the issues on the turret and government supplied equipment. To be honest even without the turret and ammunition feed mechanism if the MOD were constant...

But over half the variants didn't require a turret so why were they not delivered first, inline with the original delivery dates, that would give more time to sort out the turret. Because MOD stopped paying? I understand their point being these are all support variants, why would we accept them whe...

Was Scout SV ever actually demonstrated prior to the contract being signed in 2014? I don't recall ever seeing a demonstration vehicle or the mod signing off that it met any requirements, maybe it was demonstrated on a power point demonstration that cost £500m. There was definitely an ARES vehicle ...

SD67 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2023, 16:05 It is a 5.5 billion contract. The entire design phase of T26 was only around 700 million.

Scout SV demonstration contract was £500m.

What was £859m spent on?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... s-31554494

Here’s a crazy idea - design a new chassis from scratch for both CH3 and Ajax. Maybe Ajax gets a SWB version. Both with Hydragas. Build them on one production line at the old Armstrong works currently used by Pearson. Commonality, economies of scale, option to grow the tank fleet in the future Disa...

Ron5 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2023, 13:51 Typical poor contractor attitude. Instead of trying to supply the best possible, hides behind words in imperfect contracts (as all contracts are).

Best possible under what constraints?

If you want gold plated, don't pay for copper.

The Challenger hydro-pneumatic suspension said to have provided years of outstanding cross-country performance through the long suspension arm travel and controlled bump and rebound behaviour offered, surely with that successful experience with hydro-pneumatic suspension why did Army not make it a ...

Ron5 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2023, 13:33, it should have chosen CV90 which was then (and now) in full production and service use.

Oh yeah the famous CV90 mk4 that was unveiled in... 2021. Not in production, not in service.

Since vibration induced injuries can also come through the floor perhaps they put the padding on the floor as well ,I have included a few international articles on vibration people here can work out if all of the transmission points of vibration to feet and hands have been protected Foot vibrations...

If AJAX was OK all along what was the point of all the hullabaloo then? Politics, partly. AJAX is held to standards that far exceed any of the legacy platforms in the British Army (and MOD is increasingly held to the same standards as civilian employers), and also the army insists on mandating PPE ...

If it’s a problem or not I don’t know. But it sounds like there has been mitigation to ensure injury to soldiers can be claimed as within H&S limits which is fair enough. But the question remains if vibration and resonance are remaining within the hull then what does that do to thru life effect...

If it’s a problem or not I don’t know. But it sounds like there has been mitigation to ensure injury to soldiers can be claimed as within H&S limits which is fair enough. But the question remains if vibration and resonance are remaining within the hull then what does that do to thru life effect...

Because Brimstone 2 or 3A/B is still an £80,000+ missile...with a very small warhead, reliant on semi-active laser guidance or a recognisable target via its MMW seeker. It's not really a comparable weapon to SDB1 for example. SDB1 price was around £20,000 at the time Brimstone was £80,000...with a ...

Timmymagic wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 16:06 [..we have no SDB1, APKWS or JDAM equivalent...we can't afford to sling Spear, Storm Shadow, FCASW or even Paveway IV at every target. We need something really cheap...

Why isn't the answer Brimstone II?

Isn't the problem with 105mm that if you put in all the precision guidance with GPS/IR etc, there's not much room left for the bang. And it will still be out ranged by 155mm. And any SPG versions wouldn't be significantly cheaper and still too heavy for helo's. 105mm at the ranges it's used at only...

That is exactly the point if the decision for the long range weapon has been made now the vector became a secondary question for political reasons. I think the Ukrainian Air Force will won't the most able of the variants of the Typhoons I don't know if the Qatari contract planes cane be made availa...

As we know the British ROWANEX 105mm HE round has the same explosive power as a standard 155mm M107 round so if we wanted we could make some ROWANEX 155mm rounds with the power of a 205mm round Does anyone think the HE content is something that needs improving? Does increased HR performance balance...

So 120mm won’t be capable of providing the close support previously provided by old as90 it would after all be closer to the front than the old artillery? AS90 never provided close support. It was always a long range artillery piece, but in 30 years the capability of artillery has changed. are pref...

If they are going dwn the root of 120mm mortars for the close support role does that not make the requirement for 155mm rather moot as it main role will then be “deep” battle so in stead of replacing it should the artillery not focus on mlrs (tracked/wheeled) for that mission not 155mm guns. Err no...

Jake1992 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023, 20:06 RCH 155 could see the death nail of Ajax as well IMO as a push for tracked Boxer being brought in for it.

RCH155 on tracked Boxer is a gamble, and 5 years away minimum. MFP is planned to see service in 2027.

Will MOD make payment?

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/indu ... esume-soon

The answer is the Boxer. Most of the artillery game is not being spotted. If you're spotted by a drone, the difference in armor isn't that useful. Add on a fortune in logistical savings and it's a pretty good deal. Spotted by a drone armed with what? Artillery fire or a kamikaze drone. The biggest ...

sunstersun wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 18:41 The answer is the Boxer.

Most of the artillery game is not being spotted. If you're spotted by a drone, the difference in armor isn't that useful. Add on a fortune in logistical savings and it's a pretty good deal.

Spotted by a drone armed with what?

My view probably isn't a popular one...but...for once lets not go for the new, shiny and unproven...lets go proven and cheaper. A mix of ongoing projects and upgrades. Agree that mass is a very real issue in the British Army, however the use of auto loaded artillery systems with Multi round simulta...

For the next step up from Javelin is Hero 120 or Brimstone as said on other threads moving javelin on to the RWS's around the Battalion would free up what is now the AT Platoon to become a Overwatch Platoon with Hero 120 or Brimstone with this a Mechanised Battalion could have in depth fire power l...