We know the MOD dont mind a gap, and under their current plan Look the future afloat medical capability comes in 2035. Perhaps its no coincidence thats the same date as the LPD replacements. Is a gap really the end of the world? IMO we need to get out this habit of these gaps, politians who set the...

We all agree that the RN needs more true warships, but with resources spread thin over the MoD's procurement plans, and the chance that the Treasury will have a major change of heart at the next CSR being slim to none, any increase in the programme budget for the T-31e is unlikely. It’s is this tha...

IMO 1 or 2 hospital ships would be a good thing for the UK if payed for out of the DFID budget, it would help in part justify the stupidly large budget and give a visual impact of soft power. On top of this we can see that hospital ships around the world from the US to China have been of great help ...

With regards to coastal raiding operations, yes some of these could be based off of a T-26, but the majority would be launched either form an LPD or from the shore. I refer to them as "Raids", as they would be small in scale with the maximum force size being company strength, and the miss...

You've complety neglected that the carriers can't do both roles at the same time They can do both roles at the same time, just at a smaller scale. However since the UK will not be able to put many F35 to sea within the decade is that an issue? Using the carriers in this mixed role is an acceptable ...

I expect the RN to be able to low leave small amphibious ops ( that don't require overwhelming air power from the carriers ) concurrently Highly unlikely. Beyond small special forces operations the UK will not commit troops to soil without air support. The Navy is not equipped to fight on two front...

And my mission is complete as the discussion has now evolved into discussing what I proposed a while back with the emphasis on Sea Lift and an Amphibious capability to ensure the security of any entry point and carry out coastal raids. I don't like that term you keep using, a 'coastal raid' sounds ...

A modified Point could embark up to 12 Merlins and still retain 3 Chinook capable landing spots. The potential is huge. and at the same time as having a massive aviation over capacity in the fleet. This bit right here is s complet misnomer, how can it be an over capacity if it can only be in one ar...

The force required to take back Gibraltar from Spain (with or without EU support) would make the Falklands look like a skirmish against a few spear throwing natives. As SW1 puts it, it’s better to put the cash into not losing it in the first place. Oh I complety agree Gib would be a different kettl...

The principle of defence of the BOT is that they shouldn’t be invaded and military facilities are configured in each area as such. Luckily the threat to any BOT is even less than it is to uk almost non existent. We’re not in the same league as the USMC or anywhere close. If you wanted to to get to ...

Let me ask a question, what do people on here believe the minimum amphibious set up is needed to retake an BOT if ever needed is ? What do they belive the core of this force should be set up for - 1 - a small force concentrated soley on taking and holding a port to make it safe ? 2 - a large force t...

Problem is a system called risk assessment and unless a threat is so high and obvious, and is only aimed at the UK or its BOTs and is imminent, it doesn't really count. In all other circumstances the threat is countered in the way that has the lowest effect on the Treasury and the Government's othe...

retake any of our BOT if ever needed A laudable aim, but can never be funded in peacetime. Spain would never invade Gibraltar without EU blessing, and Argentina will never try Falklands again without serious Chinese support. We should aim for what I stated above, plus the ability to reinforce our B...

What is the base line for the maximum size and type of amphibious assault operation people think the UK should be capable of conducting by itself? For me it's the ability to retake any of our BOT if ever needed ( from Falklands to gib to Cyprus and so on ) the core of this must be based around havi...

Great piece of governmental waffle. Good intentions but little real substance. The Maritime aviation contract was cancelled in 2017 as it was decided it was no longer needed after a risk assessment for example. The three Rivers and the few cutters are woefully inadequate for the size of out coastli...

ArmChairCivvy wrote:

Jake1992 wrote: seemingly lack of intreast from the RN in regards to that certain SSS concept design

Jake, how do we know that (as SSS industry days have been held behind closed doors)?

That's why I said seemingly

....I was more thinking that the basic design of the hull and superstructure lay out would be a very good starting point for an LPD, as already said it already has the perfect hanger size and flight deck size for what's needed and with its current length and beam would suit very well for the necers...

Would you be able to show a Karl doorman vessel with replenishment equipment replaced with an extended super structure like you have above. I believe this would be a more suitable hull design to start with as its already suitable dimensions wise, it also has a lower radar footprint than the enforce...

The Johan De Witt shows how big and bulky a truly balanced platform needs to be to fit in all those troops, helicopters and vehicles. Johan De Witt 176m X 29m EMF: 550 2x LCU plus 4x LCVP 4 Merlin Hanger 2 Landing spots Extensive C&C facilities Role 2 Medical facility image.jpg A very impressiv...

I think this vessel could be more capable than your specifications. Are you proposing stretching the Bays superstructure, working deck or flight deck by 24m As I have always said it would be between the working deck and the flight deck to house the hangar and davit for the 2 helicopters and 2 LCVP/...

As s nation we have the money and means to keep carrier strike while having a decent if not the best amphibious force out side of the USMC in west, it's down to HMG choices like prioritising things such as foreign aid and hs2 over defence. We didn't choose carrier strike over amphibious capabilties,...

1 new LPH 230 meters by 40 meters with 8 spots 3 new LSDs 200 meters be 28 meter able to operate 2 LCUs plus 4 LCVP or CB-90s 5 Point class If we could afford that, great, but I fear it might just get cut again with an unfriendly government in a time of low perceived threat. If there was a cross pa...

Timmymagic wrote:

Lord Jim wrote:Are they going to be cheaper than the Osprey?

A lot cheaper apparently. The Valor in particular has deliverately avoided some of the most costly elements of the Osprey (tilting engines, wing fold)

The valor 280 has developed a marinised version with folding wings like the osprey

Yes, but only as a surge capability. Then the RN need more aircraft fist, a single QE carrier can house all the serviceable aircraft in the RN's inventory. The problem I see with say this and saying that the RN now has more aviation capacity than it's had in the best part of 2 decades is while this...

I have concentrated on the reinforcement of Norway by UK forces as it is the traditional role for which the RM have trained with regards to NATO. How these operations are conducted involve far more than what has been discussed here, which I have tried to keep within the borders of the thread. As to...