MHPC or MHC, it doesn't really matter. They will have a patrol capacity regardless. Agreed, and currently I think ALL MHC are also used in patrol duties. But, in that case, the MHPC program did not need "P" from the beginning. I understand it means the vessel will not "required"...

Isn't MHPC renamed as MHC, after the OPV order? It was written in some document from MOD. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/400083/FOI_2015-00528.pdf It states, "The Mine countermeasures, Hydrographic and Patrol Capability Programme (MHPC) has now been re...

The requirement in MoD for FLF is: Independent patrol operation at range, Full RAS capability Self and local area air defence (CAMM) ASuW capability Local ASW Merlin capable deck and ops. Contiguous hangar and mission bay (4iso container) 5 inch gun CIWS possible VLS x16 Nice list. If I read it cor...

"- no CIWS, the same as T23GP-mod" that is not acceptable and saving are minimal, the Americans pay $5million per system. If it is cheap, no problem. However, gun-CIWS is not effective against hi-speed ASM. If the ASM in 2030s be still sub-sonic in its majority, CIWS will be valid. No obj...

Just found this. It seems be bought one of our cutters from a newspaper advert. ... It was printed in Norway's biggest newspaper Great work, Shark bait-san! Interesting to read the specifications. What happened to the 2 other vessels, do anybody know? If the 3 B.1 Rivers be in the same situation, B...

It has to be more than just range though. It needs to be able to support it's self in combat very similarly to a T45 or T26. Otherwise we will have a general purpose, flexible ship, that is actually less flexible than the rest of the fleet because of its logistical needs. ... Again, they all act a ...

... what we need is a replacement for the T23 I commented a "lighter frigate" which is direct replacement for T23. Only the speed is reduced by 2 knots. I propose the range to be 20% shorter, but I put it on "in addition" column, because I agree to the point Shark bait-san is po...

Our new auxiliary ships are big beasts, designed to occasionally deliver massive loads, versus the little and often approach. This is because all of our surface combatants are designed to operate independently, at long range, for a long time, so we have the logistical fleet to match that. If we int...

First of all, I am not a light frigate lover. But, reading SDSR, I read the HMG/MOD's will to go for light frigate, and just trying not to go the same way of T21. It is an irony for me. I shall scream, "It's Not Me!! It's your government!! " (^^; ... If all you are doing is shortening the ...

I just fail to see what could be pulled from the T26 to make it noticeably cheaper and still remotely export capable. Unless they plan on replacing the gun with a 30 or 40mm and the rear hanger with a tent. 1: Change propulsion from CODLOG to CODAD, with reduced speed of 25kts, and with reduced noi...

I am sorry, but where is "one T26 per 2 year" came from? I may have missed that inputs.

I think we need to ditch the idea of "light frigates", understanding those to be along the lines of La Fayette or Floreal. We will be building proper frigates, although non AAW or ASW specialised and "lighter" than a T26. Definition of name is difficult, your comment made me see...

I would suggest a Mediterranean deployment. Not a standard royal navy tasking, but perhaps with these new assets we would adopt it. The med is becoming increasingly unstable and we have had a large presence there for the last year. Yes, possible. If it is Med, it is near, and I think the OPV will b...

If the budget is, say, half that of the T26's (and I bet I'm not far off), it won't be much more than a tarted up River with a hangar. I agree none knows the actual cost remaining for the light(er) frigate yet. Thus, I positively think, all of the following concepts diserve discussion here. - "...

Just altering 2 of the ships seems like a waste of time, not only do you loose the commonality between platforms, but your also not going to sustain a global deployment with 2 platforms. With 5 you could. I am just proposing a hanger for the 2 additional OPVs, because these two are not built yet an...

I think CODAD has clear merit of being cheap, and easy to handle, in place of loosing a speed of (only) 2kts or so. 1: COGOG resulted in short range. It is noted elsewhere in T21, T42, and T22 documentations. That's why T23 had CODLAG. 2: RNZN opted for more powerful diesel in ANZAC frigates (FSU pr...

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Uhm, it is not clear for me if we are talking different stuff or not. First of all, does VENATOR117 design meats your "lighter frigate" idea? If yes, that is what I meant, so there had been NOTHING to discuss (other than my independent proposal about slightly shorter range). Sacrificing qu...

First of all, all this "light frigate" stuff for me is NOT to save money, but to save NUMBERS of escorts. If RN was building T82 not T42, there wouldn't be 14 of them, I guess. If RN now wants to stick to "more than 19" escorts, it needs something cheaper. This was my startpoint ...

IMO the UK will buy the AShM that the US Navy does, be it NSM, LRASM, the evolved Harpoon, Naval TLAM or anything else. Some of these won't work with a box launcher... I agree to your point. BUT as already noted, we need something interim on T23, which will be operated till 2035 (or even longer). W...

@Engaging Strategy-san, thanks for response. Personally, the idea of "2nd-rated" is not easy to understand for me. For example, T23 is 1st-rated on ASW, but never on AAW. As a self defence, its AAW is "not-so-bad" and could be called "1st-rated". So, as Tony Williams-sa...

Not really possible to extend by 5m because the things are already on production. I suppose you could do it with the extra two but we a better off with a common class. Yes, hanger only to the additional 2 OPVs was what I meant. Better to be common design, but what about cost? Because most of the OP...

Some blue sky thinking on the next generation light frigate: http://engagingstrategy.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/after-type-26-royal-navys-next.html Also, just to inject a bit of perspective into this debate, the Royal Navy do not operate "light" or "second rate" ships for a very goo...

Extendable Extend the sides of the forward structure to create a hangar, it works its way around the funnel, leaving space for a RIB either side. Only adding structures, nothing significant removed other than the crane. Possible to extend the usage of the class to a global patrol ship through the u...

First of all, thanks for your all responses and patience. I think the main cause of the discrepancy comes from the fact the we in Japan faces China, which is very good at "mass". Item-0: I'm sorry, I found "which is better, AB AEGIS DDG (with SM6 now) vs Type-45?" argument exists...