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by Tempest414
01 Jul 2023, 09:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

So you are sure that BAE can carry out all the work of redesigning a type 26 to your spec at a price that would come close to a Type 31+ if not you are speculating what I have been stating as fact is the know cost of type 26 and the NAO report in 2015 when it comes to what BAE can build for type 32...
by Tempest414
01 Jul 2023, 08:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 6128
Views: 1860790
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Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Pursuing an LHD would be unwise… Disagree. RN needs LHDs to fully utilise future drone technology as it evolves. Relying on only two CVF’s to launch/recover large numbers of MALE drones to protect the FCF would be unwise. The F35s have a role to play but an additional vessel concentrating on drones...
by Tempest414
30 Jun 2023, 19:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

[ Oh dear a bit of trolling going on here ah you know dame well that the UK can provide a independent battle group if needs be with 1 x Carrier 1 x SSN 3 x Type 45 3 x Type 23 1 x LPD 2 x Bay 2 x Points 2 x Tankers 1 x SSS Right now today the LRG/N is made up of 1 x LPD , 1 x Bay , and 1 x Escort t...
by Tempest414
30 Jun 2023, 16:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 6128
Views: 1860790
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Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

The way I see it the RN need at least one LHD better with two. This could allow the RFA to have 4 smaller ships of say 150 by 22 meter to support re-enforced Company level operations but if needed when combined having the ability to deliver 2 RM Commando Battle groups with artillery , engineer and L...
by Tempest414
30 Jun 2023, 15:37
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 665
Views: 153127
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Re: The future form of the Army

https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1674509102691545105?s=61&t=-w58-AqEK8dlq02bHexwZA It comes as no great surprise, the reality is the struggle with retention is slowly pulling numbers ever downward anyway. I have a feeling that by 2030, 70,000 will be an 'aspirational' number, with numbers slid...
by Tempest414
30 Jun 2023, 15:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Even I feel like that :lol:
by Tempest414
30 Jun 2023, 12:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Amphibious forces should no be the primary focus of the T32, that is a role for the MRSS. If you have a MRSS why do you need a T32? Why not a T31 and a MRSS? Where is the rationale? Rather than thinking type 32 and MRSS we should be thinking Type 31 and Type 32 together to support the LRG If we tak...
by Tempest414
30 Jun 2023, 10:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Amphibious forces should no be the primary focus of the T32, that is a role for the MRSS. If you have a MRSS why do you need a T32? Why not a T31 and a MRSS? Where is the rationale? Rather than thinking type 32 and MRSS we should be thinking Type 31 and Type 32 together to support the LRG If we tak...
by Tempest414
30 Jun 2023, 09:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Amphibious forces should no be the primary focus of the T32, that is a role for the MRSS. If you have a MRSS why do you need a T32? Why not a T31 and a MRSS? Where is the rationale? Rather than thinking type 32 and MRSS we should be thinking Type 31 and Type 32 together to support the LRG If we tak...
by Tempest414
30 Jun 2023, 09:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

As for you saying what I said is pure speculation I would say all of the speculation is on your side of this debate everything I has said is based round what we know where you are (a) speculating that BAE can do what you are saying ( b) that the cost of the redesign will be low (c) it would any bet...
by Tempest414
30 Jun 2023, 08:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Amphibious forces should no be the primary focus of the T32, that is a role for the MRSS. If you have a MRSS why do you need a T32? Why not a T31 and a MRSS? Where is the rationale? Rather than thinking type 32 and MRSS we should be thinking Type 31 and Type 32 together to support the LRG If we tak...
by Tempest414
30 Jun 2023, 08:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Tempest414 Wrote:- As said they would be opening the door for the LRG to land RM and yes they could / would be working under cover of a Carrier group . That would be the ideal, albeit a bit difficult, if the aforesaid Carrier group was in the “other theatre”. It sounds as though you are making the ...
by Tempest414
29 Jun 2023, 19:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Amphibious forces should no be the primary focus of the T32, that is a role for the MRSS. If you have a MRSS why do you need a T32? Why not a T31 and a MRSS? Where is the rationale? Rather than thinking type 32 and MRSS we should be thinking Type 31 and Type 32 together to support the LRG If we tak...
by Tempest414
29 Jun 2023, 16:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Amphibious forces should no be the primary focus of the T32, that is a role for the MRSS. If you have a MRSS why do you need a T32? Why not a T31 and a MRSS? Where is the rationale? Rather than thinking type 32 and MRSS we should be thinking Type 31 and Type 32 together to support the LRG If we tak...
by Tempest414
29 Jun 2023, 15:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

But you have not given any clear or backed up cost savings for type 26 GP as said its price was set with the need for T-26 ASW to be a class ASW unit if you to take out the TAS it would save you 30 million if you then take out the auto gun system you save another 10 million what next say 24 CAMM 5 ...
by Tempest414
29 Jun 2023, 13:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Not forgetting that the T31 also doesn't have the same standards of survivability. Often glossed over but nevertheless true. This may or may not be the case Type 31 has a set of improvements over the IH class which would of come from building and operating the IH class for a few year before T-31 ca...
by Tempest414
29 Jun 2023, 11:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5480
Views: 1545341
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Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

And only one flag really matters ah
by Tempest414
29 Jun 2023, 07:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 1013
Views: 434551
France

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1673693495523942402 Parliamentary question reveals HMS Iron Duke LIFEX refit cost whopping £100m (subject to final negotiations with Babcock). HMS Kent LIFEX - £36M. HMS Richmond LIFEX including PMGU engine upgrade - £56M No wonder refitting HMS Westminster a ...
by Tempest414
28 Jun 2023, 17:45
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 665
Views: 153127
France

Re: The future form of the Army

The problem with the future soldier and there brigade combat teams was not the high level idea but the glaring lack of logistics, engineering, artillery and medical units to support the brigades with nearly all relying on significant reserve call ups to make them function. Which meant that nearly t...
by Tempest414
28 Jun 2023, 17:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 1013
Views: 434551
France

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

new guy wrote: 28 Jun 2023, 17:18
Tempest414 wrote: 28 Jun 2023, 11:15
xav wrote: 28 Jun 2023, 11:09 I interviewed Thales during Paris Air Show because they were showcasing a RN Peregrine UAS for the first time

Yes please 10 more of these 2 for each of the RB2's
what is current order size?
I don't know 3 or 4 maybe
by Tempest414
28 Jun 2023, 17:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5480
Views: 1545341
France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Always want more

Is a 90% increase in gun fit not enough
Is a 100% increase in missile fit not enough
Is 50% increase in range not enough
Is 100% increase in helicopter capacity not enough

No now you want more flags :lol:
by Tempest414
28 Jun 2023, 16:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Yes but you are the one arguing against a modified T31 based T32 by saying it would be no cheaper than a T26 GP when as you say yourself T26GP price is speculative until a formal design made particularly with all the mods you suggested to make it cheaper than a tailless T26 ASW. Fair point - just t...
by Tempest414
28 Jun 2023, 15:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

If type 26 GP is as cheap and easily done as you claim why didn’t BAE bid it for the Type 31 contest? Good question, because the requirements didn’t require it. Also, anyone could see the “anyone but BAE” bias going on, so part of it was probably them thinking the customer is asking for x, so we’ll...
by Tempest414
28 Jun 2023, 11:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19328
Views: 9711026
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

No I am sorry there is nothing mythical about Type 26 GP it was to be a type 26 with TAS & ASW crew removed. I am also sorry to say that cost of Type 26 is well known BAE have said that if they could have built T-26 at there own rate we could have got 9 ships for the 8 billion which is 890 mill...
by Tempest414
28 Jun 2023, 11:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 1013
Views: 434551
France

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

xav wrote: 28 Jun 2023, 11:09 I interviewed Thales during Paris Air Show because they were showcasing a RN Peregrine UAS for the first time

Yes please 10 more of these 2 for each of the RB2's