https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/202588

Nuff said.

Caribbean wrote:Perhaps we should have had a few in 82.

It's just about possible, but given the timeframe it really would have been a few even with the best of foresight.

I doubt the T42s would have been priorities even if we'd ordered them.

And the dozens upon dozens of nations who all regard them as critical all do? That argument doesn't hold any water at all. It is confusing. The USN is prioritising SSMs with its distributed lethality doctrine, basically putting anti ship missiles on anything that will fit them rather than just wars...

Phalanx didn't enter service until the early 80s.

Not sure when the first export customer was but suspect the USN equipped it's own fleet as a matter of priority first.

You'd be better off asking why no SSM capability from 2018 to 2030.

Or raging about how the T31 isn't designed to cross the T.

Neither can the Type 26, our high end escort... Discussing ASuW as a weakness of the T31 when the RN won't even have an SSM for any of it's tubs when it enters service is.... odd. You imply I'm happy about that either, sir. :p At the very least the implication is the Type 26 will have them via Mk41...

Without Mk.41, torpedoes, sonar or ASM it is completely toothless at sea. Wildcat is not a replacement. Flying a 20km ranged light ASM helo with no datalink toward opposing escort screens of 8,000 ton+ ships crammed with VLS, air-power and overlapping radars is suicide for any helicopter crew. To p...

Sounded as though Albion and Bulwark were for the chop in the defence committee.

I'm pretty sure no airframe mods confirmed by a defence committee wallah, except for the first three which are instrumented and won't be. Also there's been some speculation as to how much the F-35 buy is hedged in foreign currency. £60 million apparently at $1.50. Less than 1% of each airframe. Also...

shark bait wrote:Is it worth comprising the Royal Navy just so Bangladesh can get a nice cheap gun boat?

Every fule no that Bangladesh could just buy a cross channel ferry which would be far superior!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Who were the target nations for the Meko 200? If Germany had ordered a few very lightly armed ones in the 80s for some role or other that wouldn't make her heavily armed sisters useless. Having SSNs, carriers and high end tubs rather obviates the need for christmas trees sprouting weapons from every...

Other than a hole in the deck....

The Khareef's are... awful.

Getting someone to manufacture it isn't a problem. Suspect we already have decent stocks of it. Having to get someone to manufacture guccier ammunition types in the future is a big problem when we can just piggyback on American projects and buy what they develop. There's all sorts of laser guided an...

About 3200-4000t Donald.

Evolution of the theme rather than merely the same hull with plugs or a different fit. Hence River batch 3 probably a bad analogy in a way.

One way to keep costs down would be to pitch it as somewhat smaller but the RFI is quite specific about ~4000t.

Spinflight-san. Thanks, actually, I have almost no objection, while I do think standard cost a lot, but I might be wrong. Always a pleasure discussing. Build standards do cost, but it's merely an enabler. A well built warship with no offensive weapons is still an inherently useful asset, contrary t...

Yep but no-one makes the ammunition for them.

No, did you really read it? RFI asked for proposal including naval standard and show how it works = how costy and how effective, not requirement. And 1 page PDF states "basically" civilian standard. Yes and have re-read it. "To accomplish its tasks, the T31e will depend on organic se...

Also the RFI of T31e (1 page summary) states "Naval ship design standards applicable to platform tasking, Commercial by default, enhanced only where a clear requirement or benet exists". And the full more detailed RFI says warship standards. Not sure why you keep using the Floreal as an a...

Depends Mark, The values announced the MoD almost always do, sometimes lengthy ones, though other countries differ. The problem for the T31, which none of the proponents who favour non Baes designs have mentioned, is that it is pretty much impossible to justify or exclude all Baes' kit from a design...

APT-S is NOT sticked to FI, but steaming around South Atlantic, west Africa and even Chili. So, by definition, no air-cover there is. I think, a Wildcat will be very effective "force enabler" in APT-S. For what though? You assume anything that needs a chopper would have to be ours. Can't ...

Why I want a hangar on "2 out of the 5 River B2" (not all) is that, I think 3 will be enough to do EEZ patrol (which surely do not need any helicopter), and thinking to re-used 2 of them for APT-S, carrying a CIWS and a Wildcat, in case T31e is canceled. Another option is WIGS, which is a...

You'll have to be quick, she decoms on the 27th of October.

Why do people want a hangar on the Rivers? :?: Much easier to operate a helicopter from land. Also HMS Clyde is paid for by the Falkland Island's Government, costs over ten percent of their annual income I seem to recall. Other than refitting and whatnot she was I thought permanently based there.

Going back to the timeline of sea5000 it was stated that construction of the vessels under the future frigate program was to start in 2023 with vessels delivered in late 20s , i have also read that in the U.K that the first steel has been "cut"for these vessels does this mean it takes lon...