Interesting that clear distinction between some who try to reflect the (admittedly very slender) limited details that we know about FCF in their proposals. And some that choose to ignore those limited details of FCF to fit in with their own viewpoint(s). Can you widen this out a bit like what do yo...

So what I can find so far is that in Oct 2018 Ultra was award a MOD contract for 3 S2150 sonars for the B1 type 26's where BAE awarded the contract for the CAPTAS 4

But once again there is a extra cost to the program

Can anyone find the contract for same sonar for the Batch 1 order as this may clear it up But this now takes the Type 26 program costs to 9.1 billion and also takes the batch 2 unit price from 840 to 846 million and we can only conclude that there will be other contracts for the TAS & radar As f...

It did say the supply installation and trials of 5 additional sonars for batch 2 type 26 Yes, but strictly speaking, the argument still does not contradict with "by re-using the T23 sonar". We know originally they say reusing S2150 of T23 for T26. If it has changed, I think some announcem...

It did say the supply installation and trials of 5 additional sonars for batch 2 type 26

For me right now with what we have in terms of ships , aircraft we should be looking at using the carriers in a sort of EMF mode something like 16 x F-35 , 17 x Merlin's , 6 x AH-64E , 6 x Chinooks and 5 x Wildcats 1 x Carrier , 1 x LPD , 1 x LSD , 5 x Escorts , 1 x SSS , 2 x Tankers as we move into...

wargame_insomniac wrote Nope - River B2s are too big for what is needed for patrolling purely UK waters. Don't forget you are talking in the escort thread of uparming the T31s and in the OPV thread of uparming the River B2s. The T31s AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY EQUIPPED make good Patrol Frigates but IMO ...

I like the Vigilance design however we have a opportunity to build say 4 105m by 15m OPV's for overseas forward deployment in support of the T-31's and allowing the B2's to come back to home waters including the Baltic and Med For me the RN needs to drop fisheries and just do patrols of UK and Balt...

I like the Vigilance design however we have a opportunity to build say 4 105m by 15m OPV's for overseas forward deployment in support of the T-31's and allowing the B2's to come back to home waters including the Baltic and Med For me the RN needs to drop fisheries and just do patrols of UK and Balt...

If we say the RN were looking at 5 Type 32 with a crew of 120 per ship = 600 crew we could have 3 Type 31's = 360 and 4 105m OPV's with 60 crew = 240 crew there by giving the RN 7 hulls in the water for the same money and crew as 5 NOT relevant to the Amphib thread!! You are not a MOD if you don't ...

I like the Vigilance design however we have a opportunity to build say 4 105m by 15m OPV's for overseas forward deployment in support of the T-31's and allowing the B2's to come back to home waters including the Baltic and Med For me the RN needs to drop fisheries and just do patrols of UK and Balt...

I like the Vigilance design however we have a opportunity to build say 4 105m by 15m OPV's for overseas forward deployment in support of the T-31's and allowing the B2's to come back to home waters including the Baltic and Med For me the RN needs to drop fisheries and just do patrols of UK and Balt...

HIMARS was developed to be airlifted by C-130 for the USMC who only operate C-130 we no longer have C-130 and our A400's are capable of moving M27A2's in the same way as C-130 moves HIMARS

For me the Amphib fleet needs to be capable of global operations and with the speed at which UAV's , USV's and UUV's are growing and coming on line the LHD is becoming more and more in to focus 1) large flight deck and hangar capable of operating MALE drones , heavy lift drones and helicopters 2) we...

If we say the RN were looking at 5 Type 32 with a crew of 120 per ship = 600 crew we could have 3 Type 31's = 360 and 4 105m OPV's with 60 crew = 240 crew there by giving the RN 7 hulls in the water for the same money and crew as 5

new guy wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 08:28 If - plan goes ahead only 1 class is gonna come out of it.

Maybe the Dutch want a LHD and LPD to go with the Combat support ship they now building

I like the Vigilance design however we have a opportunity to build say 4 105m by 15m OPV's for overseas forward deployment in support of the T-31's and allowing the B2's to come back to home waters including the Baltic and Med For me the RN needs to drop fisheries and just do patrols of UK and Balti...

I am not flatly refusing anything I have said if the MOD/ HMG had contacted all 13 ships and BAE was aloud to build them at there own rate we might have got Type 26 GP for 650 million per ship unit price We would have got them for £11.5bn, another £3bn. You keep going on about like for like there i...

I am not flatly refusing anything I have said if the MOD/ HMG had contacted all 13 ships and BAE was aloud to build them at there own rate we might have got Type 26 GP for 650 million per ship unit price What we have now is the Type 26 Batch 2 5 ships costing 4.2 billion or 840 million per ship this...

This is exactly my problem you are distorting the numbers and arranging the numbers to fit your narrative. Fact - per unit doesn’t matter, as the T31 could never be the tier one ASW escort, it’s about the incremental cost. The difference was £3bn which could have bought 5 ships if we took the numbe...

Yes you need to be careful LHD's are different a Wasp Class LHD has crew of 1070 where a JC-1 has a crew of 300 or 450 with the airwing

You are not comparing like with like - any estimate if it was that, was based not based on the T31 requirement. Also, if you want to play numbers of the £11.5bn £8.5bn has been spent on the 8 ASW ships, this means £600mn per GP unit before you dumb it down further to a T31 standard. No you are not ...

So you are sure that BAE can carry out all the work of redesigning a type 26 to your spec at a price that would come close to a Type 31+ if not you are speculating what I have been stating as fact is the know cost of type 26 and the NAO report in 2015 when it comes to what BAE can build for type 32...

Pursuing an LHD would be unwise… Disagree. RN needs LHDs to fully utilise future drone technology as it evolves. Relying on only two CVF’s to launch/recover large numbers of MALE drones to protect the FCF would be unwise. The F35s have a role to play but an additional vessel concentrating on drones...

[ Oh dear a bit of trolling going on here ah you know dame well that the UK can provide a independent battle group if needs be with 1 x Carrier 1 x SSN 3 x Type 45 3 x Type 23 1 x LPD 2 x Bay 2 x Points 2 x Tankers 1 x SSS Right now today the LRG/N is made up of 1 x LPD , 1 x Bay , and 1 x Escort t...