It’s dangerous to compare public range statistics, plus you can only hit it if you can see it. Quite right but right now the T-45 can carry 48 missiles a mix of Aster 15 & 30 where the IH can carry 32 x SM-2 and 24 ESSM or it could carry 24 x SM-2 & 56 ESSM or 152 ESSM if the Danish navy pa...

Until CAMM is fitted to Type 45 and Aster is upgraded to Blk-1 the IH class has both a greater missile load out and range

Type 45 = 48 missiles Aster 15 with 30km range & 30 with 120km range

IH class = 56 missiles 24 x ESSM with 45km range & SM-2 with 160+km range

I was thinking more of mix between a Osumi & Dokdo class somewhere around the 15000 ton mark

Had to be called "frigates" because that was what was promised to Scotland. Same for the Type 31s. Missed Opportunity HMG could of upgraded them to destroyers and claimed Scotland got more than they were promised Wouldn't work, the NATs are already complaining that the promise was broken ...

Ron5 wrote: ↑09 Dec 2022, 15:27

dmereifield wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 17:51 Would be the sensible option if we could rustle up say £1 billion for 3 properly kitted out Tier 2 escorts

What can or cannot be done by a tier two vs a tier one?

That depends on what limits each tier and the task/ tasks asked of them

I think if we are going to discuss engineers theory of bending and 2nd moment of inertia it would perhaps be better not to try and infer to much similarities between the simplistic and real word examples. Structures do not simply flex in one direction at a time. Too stiff and they will snap there i...

and this is why MRSS needs to be a flattop the ability to operate 10 to 12 of these half manned the half unmanned would give the UK the ability for intervention and strike even if the CSG is somewhere else

I actually think that a soldier earning 22K should not be asked to do the work of someone earning much more. Forces personnel are not allowed to strike and their numbers are much less than in the "fucking" seventies. If anyone deserves a rise in pay its them and that is a big part of the ...

Ron5 wrote: ↑09 Dec 2022, 06:04 Had to be called "frigates" because that was what was promised to Scotland. Same for the Type 31s.

Missed Opportunity HMG could of upgraded them to destroyers and claimed Scotland got more than they were promised

…10 x warships that are perfectly adequate for general purpose tasks, bulk out the fleet, would still be useful as part of a larger task group and could fairly easily be significantly improved if ever it was felt necessary to do so. It would be interesting to know what a batch of 3 or 4 Rosyth buil...

If it can be done I am more than happy to start with a Type 26 hull form and working's i.e engines , pumps , generators , and so on But is that the right starting point? T45 has two gas turbines to the T26s one. Is that the correct architecture going forward with the extra power demands of future r...

The point is we would be fitting our own AAW Radar so most of the upper works would need to be reworked

If it can be done I am more than happy to start with a Type 26 hull form and working's i.e engines , pumps , generators , and so on but it may need 10 or so meters adding plus the whole upper works reconfigured to allow for a AAW radar system and up to 64 VLS cells

Therefore I would be happy if RN took a lower risk evolutionary development of a stretched T26, with extra length mainly used to add more VLS cells that Batch 1 / 2 T26's. IMO RN have another chance to increase hulls with the T83. If the T83 ends up being a AAW variant of the T26 with the Mk45 repl...

Indeed, nipper reckoned end of march at the latest, although he and many of his warfare crew are in Manchester at the moment being trained in passport control. Interesting skill to learn. At least he is not stuck onboard. Debatable. I currently have juniors assisting with that to cover striking bor...

Comparisons with the circumstances and actions of other navies are interesting but of limited value. Unless the next IR changes it, the aim of the government is that the RN is the premier navy in Europe. The strategic aim is simple, as a country to remain relevant (in NATO and globally) and reflect...

If we want to get the best out of our money as said we need to get out of this knee jerk reaction of buying ships to fill gaps weather it is in build programs = River B2 or over spend = Type 31 or ships that can move off board kit = second hand MROSS We need ships that can challenge the likes of Chi...

Problem is we need Vehicles , Planes and ships to get weapons to the battle space

So for me thinking on it over night the key is the need for a new MHPC class this will have two benefits 1 ) they will allow type 32 & 83 to be pushed back around 4 to 5 years allowing us to get them right 2 ) they will be better suited to the global deployment of all types of unmanned UAV's , ...

So for me thinking on it over night the key is the need for a new MHPC class this will have two benefits 1 ) they will allow type 32 & 83 to be pushed back around 4 to 5 years allowing us to get them right 2 ) they will be better suited to the global deployment of all types of unmanned UAV's , U...

For me the fleet balance needs to be 14 X C-1 escorts 6 X C-2 escorts 12 X C-3 105 meter MHPC's 6 X 200 x 35 flat top MRSS I am not so interested in BOST's as much I am more interested in where we might have to intervene or challenge the likes of Russia and China places like the Indian Ocean , both ...

My view is we would end up with 6 Type 83 8 x type 26 6 x type 32 10 x New 105 x 17 meter MHPC the French will end up with 2 x Horizon 8 x FREMM 5 x FDI 12 x Europe corvette or the like to replace there Floreal & D'Estienne d'Orves classes We can also look at Italy which will have 2 x Horizon 1...

My view is we would end up with 6 Type 83 8 x type 26 6 x type 32 10 x New 105 x 17 meter MHPC the French will end up with 2 x Horizon 8 x FREMM 5 x FDI 12 x Europe corvette or the like to replace there Floreal & D'Estienne d'Orves classes We can also look at Italy which will have 2 x Horizon 1...

My view is we would end up with

6 Type 83
8 x type 26
6 x type 32
10 x New 105 x 17 meter MHPC

the French will end up with

2 x Horizon
8 x FREMM
5 x FDI
12 x Europe corvette or the like to replace there Floreal & D'Estienne d'Orves classes

All these usv, uavs and unmanned submarines are going to cost money, as will the weapons systems that go into the ships. Ship numbers will reduce from where they are today to afford them. every single one of these posts are increasing numbers of ships being built and every single report on the futu...