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- 14 Apr 2024, 16:13
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: General UK Defence Discussion
- Replies: 1936
- Views: 254132
Re: General UK Defence Discussion
We do have air defence assets and a fully integrated network. There is anti drone stuf, starstreak, camm, and aster. The real question is how much of it are you prepared to say is to be kept to be deployed around the uk or sent overseas or do we need more of it. We have 6 type 45s are we to say 3 w...
- 14 Apr 2024, 13:42
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
On the flip side there are people on this forum who think TAS equipped GP frigates or AAW Destroyers add nothing to the ASW picture which is also wrong. I don't think anyone here thinks a GP frigate with a TAS can be as good as a ASW frigate at one on one ops or even 2 on 1 ops but they can add to ...
- 14 Apr 2024, 13:39
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: General UK Defence Discussion
- Replies: 1936
- Views: 254132
- 14 Apr 2024, 12:56
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
On the flip side there are people on this forum who think TAS equipped GP frigates or AAW Destroyers add nothing to the ASW picture which is also wrong. I don't think anyone here thinks a GP frigate with a TAS can be as good as a ASW frigate at one on one ops or even 2 on 1 ops but they can add to ...
- 14 Apr 2024, 11:09
- Forum: Royal Air Force
- Topic: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)
- Replies: 2837
- Views: 775995
- 12 Apr 2024, 23:58
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
A GP frigate for at least half the price or more can provide a good level of ASW with a TAS and it doesn't need to be modularised. But would your GP frigate actually catch any submarines? If the chances of that are tiny, it's wasted money. There a lots of frigates and destroyers around the world fi...
- 12 Apr 2024, 18:10
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Good news, but nothing new, isn't it? Batch 1 three ships in 1.5 years drumbeat, and Batch 2 five ships in 1 year drumbeat. First ship delivery to RN on 2025-26 (to be “in service” on 2027), last ship delivery to RN on 2035 (to be “in service” on 2036) is the plan from the beginning…. Possibly not,...
- 12 Apr 2024, 13:51
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/bae-target-dramatic-reduction-in-frigate-build-time/ We aim to reduce the build duration from the first of class being 96 months to the eighth being 60 months. More than that, we intend to compress the interval between ships from 18 months to 12 Now that’s an opportun...
- 12 Apr 2024, 09:00
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Why is it? What’s the priority - utter nonsense
- 11 Apr 2024, 22:07
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
I am not arguing against your points only that unless the budget rises adding additional T26 will do nothing to address the problems with fleet balance. It’s not a priority if a balanced fleet is the goal. • The cost of 2x T26 would probably procure another 10x P8 at £200m unit. What impact would t...
- 11 Apr 2024, 18:44
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Yes, 100%. Why? Because they drunk the cool aid that you can have the same effect with cheaper ships ignoring the requirement. The threat to Australia and the region is not going to be solved by GP assets with compromised ASW capabilities. Chinas threat is going to be subsurface and its CBGs. Well ...
- 11 Apr 2024, 18:17
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
A couple of reminders that a good ASW ship isn’t about just adding a modularised TAS.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/i-went- ... b-frigate/
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/the-typ ... -is-quiet/
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/i-went- ... b-frigate/
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/the-typ ... -is-quiet/
- 11 Apr 2024, 09:55
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Multi-Role Support Ships (MRSS)
- Replies: 112
- Views: 14532
Re: Multi-Role Support Ships (MRSS)
I think an interesting example of a company type operation by the Royal Marines and type of ship required for it , is the 2002 45 commando company deployment for operation anaconda. Would probably require a CVF, but doable. I would add the operations Paraquet and Highbrow and ones that should be mo...
- 11 Apr 2024, 09:41
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 6157
- Views: 1865305
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
The only way this has a chance IMO is that this class is the only new one in the 2030s. If the Albions are not to return the replacements are needed now. The luxury of everything being needed a decade away is over for the foreseeable. How much money is going to be pissed away on endless concepts an...
- 11 Apr 2024, 09:38
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Any illusion that build a new “cheaper” (read compromised) class in a multi-national program and it will be a success is just that, an illusion - albeit sadly one that the Treasury will believe. Are you suggesting the Australians have got it completely wrong with their smaller, more numerous ASW ve...
- 11 Apr 2024, 09:36
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
The cost isn’t climbing - but yes a few (2-3) more T26s and a few more SSNs would be ideal - however believe it or not the crewing issues are easier to solve above water currently.Tempest414 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2024, 09:23 As the cost of type 26 B2's carries on climbing if we want ASW hunter killers then maybe more SSN's would be better
- 11 Apr 2024, 09:14
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 6157
- Views: 1865305
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
What interested me was the line about how the "budget is different". Which I'm taking as a very diplomatic and polite way of saying what I speculated above... I must admit I took it as the RN dreaming that their unsecured budget was bigger, only for reality to bite later when it’s too lat...
- 11 Apr 2024, 08:05
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 6157
- Views: 1865305
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
The writing has been on the wall since the end of last year
- 11 Apr 2024, 07:58
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
It’s a fair point, but the last thing we need is another class of ASW frigate I’m not suggesting it’s the best direction of travel but the benefits are clear. • A joint £5bn program with a NATO member to produce 10x next-gen GP Frigates optimised for off-board systems including ASW. • Rosyth is sec...
- 10 Apr 2024, 21:21
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Well they have but that is also for a submarine fleet renewal and that is expensive and a new air defence system of the patriot variety which isn’t cheap either. That’s a fair point also - just think this is for the BAE to lose and by having another five+ T26s in the North Atlantic is a game changer.
- 10 Apr 2024, 21:20
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
It’s a MINIMUM of 5 Frigates. Ok, but you don’t write that unless the discussion starts with can five ships meet the requirement. I am not arguing just stating if it is 5x or more T26, when could BAE hope to deliver them and not impact the RN schedule? Conversely, if it was 5x or more ASW optimised...
- 10 Apr 2024, 20:43
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Ok, but you don’t write that unless the discussion starts with can five ships meet the requirement.
- 10 Apr 2024, 20:25
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
- Replies: 5672
- Views: 1488637
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Even with the substantial hike in defence spending, is the Royal Norwegian Navy realistically going to be able to afford 5 x T26? It seems to me that it might be worth them considering either a 2 + 3 or a 3 + 2 mix with T31. Alternatively, 5 x FREMM or similar. 5 FDI or joining the new danish navy ...
- 10 Apr 2024, 11:14
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
- Replies: 570
- Views: 149345
Re: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
I have a feeling that the T32 and MRSS requirements and programs are about to get blurred.
- 09 Apr 2024, 20:34
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Multi-Role Support Ships (MRSS)
- Replies: 112
- Views: 14532
Re: Multi-Role Support Ships (MRSS)
So British ships, even if developed in partnerships, could be significantly different, so Dutch ones could have flight deck while British ones might not. Apologies, spotted the same and posted on the amphibious post. However, I didn’t see the same conclusion, only that the RN needs them to operate ...