If you’re now proposing 1 carrier and one mothballed and 16 escorts is that the 8 type 26 and 5 type 31 in that number or different and 3 type 45? If that’s the trade off for you 3 LHDs ok. I am not proposing mothballing anything. Having one CVF available at any one time is a reasonable strategy fo...

How long a flight deck do we need for the type of UAV's that we are talking about? I would keep them in 200m class like the proposed MRSS. As a very basic outline something along the lines of a Juan Carlos/Canberra style design reduced to 200m by shrinking the floodable dock 30m making it capable o...

For every pound you wish to spend adding ships to the current numbers the RN operate they need to spend 3 on manpower, maintenance facilities and weapons to crew, operate and arm them. If you want a bigger navy where in the mod budget is the costs coming from to do it? What am I proposing that RN i...

A flat top design might help with launching UAV's but for me flat top is a nice to have, not an essential. Once those maritime MALE drones start operating from the LHD flight decks of smaller navies everything will change overnight. Especially if stealth technology is incorporated. Those navies tha...

Tempest414 wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 10:54

new guy wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 08:28 If - plan goes ahead only 1 class is gonna come out of it.

Maybe the Dutch want a LHD and LPD to go with the Combat support ship they now building

That would be a fantastic capability for the Korps Mariniers.

Also a fantastic capability for NATO in the Baltic.

I think MRSS shall be splitted into light and full. I agree that the MRSS will be split but into Assault & Logistics rather than light and full. I also think the T32 should be split into more T31s plus an enlarged LSV program based on a Vard 7 313 type hull. Trying to force two requirements int...

….what are the cons of a JLV? In their place, nothing. In an effort to move the debate on a little. A few simple questions. 1. How many other nations are considering deleting their full Amphibious fleets to replace them with a class of joint logistics vessels? 2. If funding was more generous what w...

Repulse wrote: ↑01 Jul 2023, 09:40 I personally think it’s a mistake to go for a single MRSS class…

The Dutch will not want to replace their Enforcers with 3 Joint Logistic Vessels regardless of what the HMT bean counters are pushing.

For this reason alone adding the Dutch to the Amphib replacement program is great news.

a) LHD's are intensive to operate and it would just reduce total fleet capacity. Based on what? b) I would rather have a ship without a well deck so it could focus on air ops rather than taking up a lot of space for a well deck. Great. So you are now proposing LPDs without floodable docks that may ...

Sorry… Why are you sorry? ..when has there ever been a platform with a LHD version and a LPD/LSD version??? I will wait. and wait more. Don’t wait too long. The Enforcer class was designed with LHD and LPD variants decades ago. RN asked for a modified design for a class of 4 LSDs. Lots in the water...

Pursuing an LHD would be unwise… Disagree. RN needs LHDs to fully utilise future drone technology as it evolves. Relying on only two CVF’s to launch/recover large numbers of MALE drones to protect the FCF would be unwise. The F35s have a role to play but an additional vessel concentrating on drones...

More dissenting voices.

https://www.forces.net/services/army/uk ... ence-chief

Something that looked like the Karel Doorman, but worked like the Bay Class would be perfect! Im not sure the basic Enforcer design has altered that much apart from exterior aesthetics. The LHD, LPD, LSD variants where designed years ago. 9B2BD19F-1143-4F4E-8B1A-947DEC91CA56.jpeg If that’s not work...

Repulse wrote: ↑30 Jun 2023, 18:55

Tempest414 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2023, 15:01 Even I feel like that

It’s impossible to follow

It would be a lot easier if the quotes were cut down a bit!

Thats more like it! https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britain-and-netherlands-to-develop-new-assault-ship/ Hopefully Enforcer based and LHD, LPD and LSD variants on the same hull. Karel Doorman would be a good place to start. More here: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-netherlands-confirm-fut...

It's totally going to change, and that seems to be with a focus on smaller security/special operations. However if the Royal Marines want to survive they need the capability to create an entry to theatre from nothing. Without, the marines become the RAF regiment of the sea, necessary, but it doesn'...

….a Brigade sized operation and that's about it... Every time you think the decline has bottomed out and then another review happens. The difference is this time the dissenting voices are coming from those still in post and direct criticism from the US on the size of the UK armed forces is pretty u...

Threats are evolving.

https://www.navylookout.com/countering- ... -vehicles/

The amphibious platforms need to be big cavernous vessels , which goes against best practice for vessels carrying explosives and expected to survive a fight. Furthermore, combining roles makes the design way more complex, will likely mean half as many ships. Continuing to play devils advocate. Is t...

I don't doubt that the various options you provide wouldn't be sensible configurations for a 3Cdo designed to maximise EMF Rather than thinking type 32 and MRSS we should be thinking Type 31 and Type 32 together to support the LRG Just to be clear I still believe the UK should procure 3x LHD, 3x LS...

shark bait wrote: ↑ Amphibious forces should no be the primary focus of the T32, that is a role for the MRSS.

If you have a MRSS why do you need a T32?

Why not a T31 and a MRSS?

Where is the rationale?

tomuk wrote: ↑29 Jun 2023, 14:32 We need a larger Batch 3 River so we can keep up with the Jonses.

Sorted.

I did think that an increase in tempo was coming when they announced a new assembly building at Barrow & started recruiting. It was also stated that the current building can handle more concurrent builds than it currently is. Will the increase in tempo reduce build time or just have more boats ...

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/defence-ministers-speech-at-full-spectrum-air-defence-conference …our Royal Navy is building its Future Air Dominance System. Likely to comprise the new Type 83 Class platforms – which will one day replace Type 45 – these are more than just ships. They are a di...

Why are you attempting to cross an arleigh Burke level of vertical launch missile tubes with an lpd esq level of marine/helicopter embarkation all because of an interpretation of a what a littoral response group is trying to be, something it’s not. If you remove capability from the T31 then it isn’...