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by Caribbean
31 Mar 2019, 13:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 594
Views: 36456
Location: England

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

Even better we have 5 such vessels of similar configuration. One wonders why we are playing about with other build programs Perhaps because one of the 5 is tied up, one is "permanently" deployed to the Caribbean (Mounts Bay on 3-year forward deployment), one is in the Gulf supporting the ...
by Caribbean
31 Mar 2019, 11:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 41510
Location: England

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

I think that ACC's quote, above, highlights the expected capabilities of the FLSS nicely. I think we all go a little carried away when it was mentioned that it could form part of an amphibious assault. As I see it, there is a subtle difference (ok, not so subtle) between the function of an amphibiou...
by Caribbean
29 Mar 2019, 07:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 41510
Location: England

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Though, in the current year, the hole appears to have been filled on an "ad hoc" basis, with further "small" sums (£1.8b? so far) being granted on a non-recurring basis. I suspect that the Treasury wants to keep it that way for now, rather than formally increase the budget, as it...
by Caribbean
28 Mar 2019, 20:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9795
Views: 416034
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

BMT did a thorough study and concluded 120m length was the minimum for a global blue water They also decided that 105m was about the smallest you could go and still self-deploy globally (able to sustain a transit in up to sea state 8, with (just about ) acceptable speed, slamming and rolling - and ...
by Caribbean
28 Mar 2019, 19:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2765
Views: 141017
Location: England

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Ron5 wrote:"corvette" is too darned frenchie sounding

Maybe we should call it a "freedom frigate" :D
by Caribbean
27 Mar 2019, 22:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2765
Views: 141017
Location: England

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

I know people will say the Leander is another variant, which is true to a degree When one considers that "Leander" is offered in four lengths (99, 102,117 & 120m), one of which is exactly the same as the Khareef, I think it's clear that Leander is entirely a "pimped Khareef"...
by Caribbean
24 Mar 2019, 22:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5941
Views: 276366
Location: England

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I had heard it mentioned that those making the decisions felt part of the reason type26 budget got so big was the charge rate and build man hours BAE were quoting was way beyond what could be considered reasonable and one has to wonder is that’s whats being tested with arrowhead 140 We are of the s...
by Caribbean
24 Mar 2019, 14:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5941
Views: 276366
Location: England

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I’m not disagreeing with your analysis but if you can build something as capable as arrowhead 140 for £250m someone is going to ask why is type 26 costing at least 3 times as much. And they would be right to ask that question. A detailed analysis of the relevant capabilities of the two platforms wo...
by Caribbean
24 Mar 2019, 14:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5941
Views: 276366
Location: England

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

If the £250mn price tag is kept to, I think people will be disappointed from they currently believe is on offer I think that most of us, that have read the RFI, understand what is on offer. The platform is one thing and the equipment attached to it is another. After the recent re-jig of the RFI, it...
by Caribbean
24 Mar 2019, 13:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5941
Views: 276366
Location: England

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Also, for those that persist with the "glorified OPV" label - please bear in mind that one of the designs is a current NATO partner's Tier 1 frigate design, that has been fully shock-tested, meets current NATO noise standards for ASW warfare, design and survivabiliy and is RN FOST-approved...
by Caribbean
20 Mar 2019, 21:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9795
Views: 416034
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The French have the Cassards as well (due to be replaced with FREMM AAW) and the Italians have the Durand de la Penne (for now)
by Caribbean
18 Mar 2019, 22:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9795
Views: 416034
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Possibly, but I do not see any justification to have 8 T31s on top of 8 Rivers if neither are any good at the MHC role. Given the limited funds would still go 12 Rivers (B1, B2 and B3) and a similar 12 ship class of MHC Venari style. Personally, I doubt there will be any further specialist MHC desi...
by Caribbean
17 Mar 2019, 17:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2765
Views: 141017
Location: England

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

I have read the rivers are better able to integrate with local maritime forces in the region and offer join training than more complex frigates That is one area where the River B1's proved very useful. They also trained with local police and fire brigades (onboard search and firefighting techniques...
by Caribbean
17 Mar 2019, 13:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2765
Views: 141017
Location: England

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

I think it's highly likely the RB2's will return to the EEZ Though that may well not be the UK EEZ. Currently we know that one will be the FIGS. I suspect that one or even two may have been pencilled in for WIGS (also forward-based), as part of the UK's ramping up of hurricane-preparedness in the r...
by Caribbean
16 Mar 2019, 17:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9795
Views: 416034
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

ArmChairCivvy wrote:Triancomalee, more exactly

Yes, indeed - Colombo is probably the older (and, it seems, as heavily used) naval base - the SLN HQ is there (SLNS Parakrama), but Trinco is the better port (and airfield), with better facilities. Still, somewhat academic, as I don't see us having access any time soon.
by Caribbean
16 Mar 2019, 13:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2765
Views: 141017
Location: England

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

As I understand it, the objection to the Seahawk Sigmas is that you lose the reversionary control feature for the ASCG, which is something that the RN is rather keen on. They do, however, look like a very cost-efficient upgrade. Perhaps a stand-alone launcher would be preferable (as @LJ says, we cou...
by Caribbean
16 Mar 2019, 13:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9795
Views: 416034
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

It looks to me like they are looking at permanently stationing ships along the trade routes towards China and the East Indies. If the purpose of the T31 is patrol and surveillance, then it seems an appropriate use of them. The Med is full of friendly navies (even if relations with some of their Gove...
by Caribbean
13 Mar 2019, 17:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5941
Views: 276366
Location: England

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

This is delusional Britishness at it's best. Shake the white ensign and the Admirals of the world will come running! Don't travel much, do you (and I don't include a few weeks in wherever on holiday as travelling - that's just visiting and staying in the tourist bubble)? Having spent a fairly major...
by Caribbean
13 Mar 2019, 17:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5941
Views: 276366
Location: England

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Are we now able to conclude with any certainty that Babcock has not purchased the Iver Huitfeldt IP after all? Does this confirm that Babcock are, as many suspected simply building a Foreign design under licence? It is possible, but there are so many forms that a deal between Team 31 and OMT could ...
by Caribbean
13 Mar 2019, 14:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5941
Views: 276366
Location: England

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

As expected, it is not related to UK. Can there be a small hope Babcock can join the detailed design and systems integration aspects? That will, indeed, be an interesting pointer towards the deal done over the IP for the Iver Huitfeldts between BMT and the rest of the Team 31 consortium. It also in...
by Caribbean
10 Mar 2019, 13:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 41510
Location: England

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

are you proposing 4 virtually identical vessels to specified individually to match the deployment Almost. I would see the HADR variant being a little less specialised (I.e. more open space that could be filled with containers - either HADR supplies or more specialised units, such as armouries, work...
by Caribbean
10 Mar 2019, 10:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 41510
Location: England

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

I think there is a tendency to expect too much of the FLSS. Much of the (early, to be fair) speculation seems to be looking for a vessel that fits somewhere between the Bays and the Albions, whereas it is clear that these new vessels will sit somewhere between the Points and the Bays (the financial ...
by Caribbean
04 Mar 2019, 20:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9795
Views: 416034
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Comparing the published equipment, sensor, comms, & CMS of the T31 contenders against the T23 GP, the only meaningful difference in favor of the T23GP would appear to be the HMS and lower T23 noise signature. On the plus side, the T31s offer mission bays, CIWS, smaller crew, lower running costs...
by Caribbean
03 Mar 2019, 16:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9795
Views: 416034
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

with the latter, littoral part, off-board MCM systems (interchangeable?) go better... No argument with that. I think the key word is "interchangeable". Use different "modules" for different missions - though in our case, it looks like the "modules" will be standard siz...
by Caribbean
03 Mar 2019, 14:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9795
Views: 416034
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The part I struggle with is the idea that if we just stick a Captas 4 Compact on Leander we will have a ASW 'escort'. If so why are spending so much on the Type 26's? Both Leander and the A140 are said to meet the NATO ASW URN standards, both can support capable HMS's, both support a helicopter cap...

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