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by Caribbean
23 Apr 2016, 01:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 384084
Location: England

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

yes there is a limited number of merlins but in GP role could be carrying HC variants. Really? Only if it has provision for a reasonable-sized EMF, I would have thought. That may yet happen, but I doubt it's at the top of the requirements list. I suppose it could ferry one for use in an amphibious ...
by Caribbean
23 Apr 2016, 00:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 384084
Location: England

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

Gabriele Do you have any information as to how much a reasonable towed asw array would actually cost? I have read the U.S.N approval of several that would cost roughly three milllion each certainly that would not cover manning of course Didn't 2087 cost £21m a set? The USN clearly aren't buying fro...
by Caribbean
23 Apr 2016, 00:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3922
Views: 285270
Location: England

Re: UK's Future T26 Frigate.

"Job Cuts risks" Political leverage quote used. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... s-36114069 An interesting quote in that article "But there is a shift of £750m in the budget, stretching it into more distant, less constrained fiscal years" Is that the money for the T45...
by Caribbean
22 Apr 2016, 20:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 384084
Location: England

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

Given the number of Merlin that we have, two Merlins might be stretching resources a bit. One Merlin plus 1 (or 2) UAVs, or two Wildcat might be more realistic keep a stern space open for 1 ISO container = CAPTAS-1 FFBNW. I would have thought that a 2-3 TEU space would be quite possible, allowing a ...
by Caribbean
21 Apr 2016, 04:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 384084
Location: England

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

I dont think that can be taken as a dismissal. The plan has always been at least 13, maybe more if it works out well. I would agree with that. The language used in the SDSR statement was, IIRC, that there would be 13 frigates (something along the lines of "Scotland will get it's 13 frigates&qu...
by Caribbean
20 Apr 2016, 20:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 384084
Location: England

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

BMT are still trying to recruit at the moment - they have around 30 engineering/design jobs open at the moment
by Caribbean
18 Apr 2016, 20:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 384084
Location: England

Re: Type 31 - Future 'Lighter' Frigate

So what we need is a vessel which will have the same capabilities as the modified T23s will have but on a newer hull. That should tick all the boxes and be cheaper than the planned T26. Or similar, since we are talking about a GP frigate. A point that some of us have been trying to make for a while...
by Caribbean
18 Apr 2016, 04:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 384084
Location: England

Re: Type 31 - Future 'Lighter' Frigate

NGFS is, however, not the sole purpose of the main gun - both naval fires and CIWS are relevant considerations. AAA/CIWS was said to be one of the main functions of the 4.5" guns in 82. I even remember a claim that an Exocet was shot down by a 4.5", though I have no idea whether that was a...
by Caribbean
17 Apr 2016, 14:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 384084
Location: England

Re: Type 31 - Future 'Lighter' Frigate

The 76mm STRALES with DART ammunition also makes a pretty decent CIWS
by Caribbean
16 Apr 2016, 18:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 384084
Location: England

Re: Type 31 - Future 'Lighter' Frigate

The T31 is perfectly capable of having a Mk 41 VLS. I have no idea why you think it's impossible. I think it's highly likely. Indeed - I see no physical reason why the T31 should not have Mk 41 VLS - 8 cells take up around 6 sq metres of deck space and are not expensive in military equipment terms....
by Caribbean
16 Apr 2016, 18:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 201758
Location: England

Re: river I/I.5 and II patrol vessels

Bringing this over from the Border Force Cutter thread... yes and we accept the rivers as a great step forward for the fleet! that can be used in a very similar way to the Floreals deployed internationally on a variety of operations. The Floreals have been deployed on Op Atalanta with some success -...
by Caribbean
16 Apr 2016, 18:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Border Force Cutters.
Replies: 157
Views: 16168
Location: England

Re: Border Force Cutters.

Shall we take the River stuff over to the River thread :D On Border Force cutters - they do seem like a very good design for the vast majority of the Border force stuff and would make a good standard for a "UKCG" cutter (it will be very interesting to see what is reported back from the var...
by Caribbean
16 Apr 2016, 00:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Border Force Cutters.
Replies: 157
Views: 16168
Location: England

Re: Border Force Cutters.

marktigger wrote:the rivers are fairly close to the size of the floreals which the french classify as a light frigate built to commercial standards to the SOLAS regulations.

But with a helicopter, boats, Exocet, 100mm gun and 10,000nm range - not really that similar
by Caribbean
15 Apr 2016, 23:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Border Force Cutters.
Replies: 157
Views: 16168
Location: England

Re: Border Force Cutters.

I would still advocate forward deployed OPV's, much like the French. If our OPVs were like the Floreals, I would be quite happy to use them as guardships and in the anti-piracy/drug-running role (though I wouldn't insist on the two Exocet launchers, much as it would be highly entertaining to use on...
by Caribbean
15 Apr 2016, 16:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 201758
Location: England

Re: river I/I.5 and II patrol vessels

A river supported by an auxiliary is more than enough for the Caribbean While I agree with the two-ship support idea, I'm not sure that the River/Bay combo is ideal for the role. We are just stuck with using what we have. Both the Dutch and the French use the two-ship solution (but forward-based an...
by Caribbean
15 Apr 2016, 01:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Border Force Cutters.
Replies: 157
Views: 16168
Location: England

Re: Border Force Cutters.

marktigger wrote:That then generates the issue of deploying the OPVs in lieu of a frigate.

Well - there will be three or four B1/1b surplus to requirements shortly - give them to the reformed Coastguard/Border/Police force and free up the B2/B3s for FIGS/WIGS/Gib etc
by Caribbean
15 Apr 2016, 01:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 201758
Location: England

Re: river I/I.5 and II patrol vessels

(Sorry @Caribbean) No problem - I kind of agree with you. The situation with Belize and Guatemala aside (positioning a couple of thousand UK, US and Canadian troops there on training exercises will quiet Guatemala down, I think), the majority of RN work in the Caribbean region is policing and HADR ...
by Caribbean
14 Apr 2016, 19:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 201758
Location: England

Re: river I/I.5 and II patrol vessels

fine putting an opv out across the world but it needs to be backed by a frigate or destroyer I would have said that it needs to be sufficiently well equipped to contain the threats that it faces. If it is not sufficiently powerful to contain the threat that it faces then it shouldn't even be there....
by Caribbean
12 Apr 2016, 01:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 201758
Location: England

Re: river I/I.5 and II patrol vessels

still holding out for that 57mm gun, Artisan and 2 x 30mm Sigma mounts Artisan might be a bit OTT (though the sales material says that it is configurable, which I take to mean that you vary the computing power on the back end, rather than play around with the antenna). Unless you want CAMM as well ...
by Caribbean
11 Apr 2016, 14:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 384084
Location: England

Re: Type 31 - Future 'Lighter' Frigate

Basically what you want is a cheaper T26 - it isn't going to happen
by Caribbean
10 Apr 2016, 22:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 384084
Location: England

Re: Type 31 - Future 'Lighter' Frigate

A cheaper Swiss Army penknife has a fewer number of blades. T31 has to be cheaper. A point which has to be made repeatedly. We aren't going to get a cheaper T26, no matter what, so some compromise has to be made. As has been discussed earlier, the best bet for reducing costs is commonality of compo...
by Caribbean
09 Apr 2016, 21:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 384084
Location: England

Re: Type 31 - Future 'Lighter' Frigate

Engaging Strategy wrote:I'd say a Type 26 derivative the 4-5000 ton range, focusing on a very high degree of equipment commonality would be the ideal outcome.


That would be a very good outcome
by Caribbean
09 Apr 2016, 01:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 201758
Location: England

Re: river I/I.5 and II patrol vessels

Out of 19 ships, 8 are "in maintenance" or "dormant" and 6 are "active in UK waters", leaving 5 available to do the majority of the standing tasks and you are saying that APT-S is NOT being gapped for lack of hulls?

Sorry - you just lost any semblance of credibility
by Caribbean
08 Apr 2016, 00:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)
Replies: 262
Views: 25590
Location: England

Re: RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)

I'd imagine that the idea would be that it would spend most of its time providing routine medical services to communities in developing nations. Indeed it would - and it would be a major contributor to the UK's soft-power efforts. Not so much chance for corrupt officials to divert resources for the...
by Caribbean
06 Apr 2016, 04:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 174
Views: 10478
Location: England

Re: 76mm Oto Melara

if we are putting an OPV somewhere it needs a 76mm Oto Melara its the wrong vessel in the wrong place The world is littered with the remains of people and ships that were in the wrong place. I doubt that the present generation will get it right any more than previous generations, despite all our ad...

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