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by Caribbean
03 Mar 2019, 14:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9818
Views: 421876
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The part I struggle with is the idea that if we just stick a Captas 4 Compact on Leander we will have a ASW 'escort'. If so why are spending so much on the Type 26's? Both Leander and the A140 are said to meet the NATO ASW URN standards, both can support capable HMS's, both support a helicopter cap...
by Caribbean
27 Feb 2019, 07:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9818
Views: 421876
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

if there is to be an ASW T31 how to allocate its very limited budget I would suggest upgrading the five 2050 sets off the T23GPs to 2150 standard (approx. £250-300k per set), along with (when needed) filling one or two of the boat bays with ARCIMS type systems (once the ASW version is operational),...
by Caribbean
25 Feb 2019, 23:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 279257
Location: England

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Ebro wrote:about 18 months according to the published white paper

IIRC, it was alleged that Brexit would be the "easiest deal ever". Plans often don't survive an encounter with reality
by Caribbean
25 Feb 2019, 22:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 279257
Location: England

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

SW1 wrote:If the uk desolves

The Scots gNats must be looking at the brexit shenanigans with a degree of nervousness - if it takes this long to disengage after only 40 years in the union with the EU, how long will it take to dissolve a 300-year old union?
by Caribbean
23 Feb 2019, 21:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 42155
Location: England

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Since, in normal use, the new LSS will be SF sea bases, manned primarily by SF, SFSG (i.e. Army), RAF personnel seconded to SF support and possibly civilian contractors (and possibly paid for, in large part, out of the SF budget), I suspect that there is little likelihood of them being added to the ...
by Caribbean
23 Feb 2019, 01:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 42155
Location: England

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Yes I agree. But it also means, the already “4.8-14Bn short” equipment budget need further cut. Overall, I agree RN/RFA top priority is manpower. Cutting something in equipment list (e.g. T31 build, T23GP modernization, keeping 2 escorts in extended readiness, etc) to improve manning issue is the s...
by Caribbean
22 Feb 2019, 23:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 42155
Location: England

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Yes, in view of head counts. On the other hand, anyway MOD needs to pay for the crew. So budget wise almost no difference? Overall budget - probably not (or minimal at best). But it may well allow you to transfer the "staff" costs to a different budget line. So, for instance, the staff co...
by Caribbean
22 Feb 2019, 20:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 42155
Location: England

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

donald_of_tokyo wrote:Argus needs 80 RFA crew for ship, as I understand.

Two of the MRV will need 70.

And theoretically, those 70 could actually be non-RFA headcount, if the Prevail Partners option is used (though probably with some sort of reservist status).
by Caribbean
22 Feb 2019, 19:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 42155
Location: England

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

"Wet lease charter" [...] "Prevail's team will build, crew, manage, maintain and sustain the MRV for over 300 days" https://prevail-partners.com/mrv/ Bigger: https://cdn.flipsnack.com/widget/v2/widget.html?hash=ft9y1a88t&bgcolor=EEEEEE&t=1528449354 Excellent - that'll be...
by Caribbean
21 Feb 2019, 16:06
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)
Replies: 926
Views: 61382
Location: England

Re: Boeing Poseidon MRA Mk.1 (Maritime Reconnaissance Attack) (RAF)

Could a P-8 track a submarine under the ice? I thought that was why NATO SSNs were given that as one of their primary roles. Interestingly, there seems to be relatively little ice in the area that we might be more interested in - on the linked image most of the Greenland and Barents Sea are clear -...
by Caribbean
19 Feb 2019, 07:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9818
Views: 421876
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Well can the T-31e deliver a useable ASW escort for the RN? Depends on what you mean by useable. If all it's features are exploited, it will be as capable, if slightly less quiet, than a T23GP. With a towed array (which it seems most of the proposals have allowed for), probably more capable (though...
by Caribbean
18 Feb 2019, 22:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9818
Views: 421876
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

the minimum spec is FTR hull mounted sonar It's not a spec - it's a Request For Information, as in "here's the parameters of the project, now what can we get for the money - give us the trade-offs?" Edit What's difference between consort defence and an escort? Any ship can be an "esc...
by Caribbean
18 Feb 2019, 22:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9818
Views: 421876
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Doesn't the RFI for the T-31e fail to mention any sonar, hull mounted or otherwise? It mentions it in a number of places It would probably be a good idea if a few people actually read the RFI. To make it easy - here's the latest link https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/syste...
by Caribbean
17 Feb 2019, 13:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 42155
Location: England

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Do you mean the existing Points that are in the water now or more modern commercially sourced donor hulls similar to a Point design........I think it's highly likely that when inspected, the idea of refitting the current Points will prove to be cost prohibitive Indeed, a major consideration - presu...
by Caribbean
16 Feb 2019, 14:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10029
Views: 675033
Location: England

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

seaspear wrote:What happens if there is more than one submarine firing a multitude of torpedos

Hope the decoys work? I guess that's what SSTD is there for.
by Caribbean
16 Feb 2019, 11:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 42155
Location: England

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Do we think people are getting too overexcited what we might get and in reallity it's just going to be something very basic and not too large ?if you can believe anything about the mod it will probably underwhelm most people but probably be adequate Agree about the "overexcited" bit. Cons...
by Caribbean
16 Feb 2019, 10:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10029
Views: 675033
Location: England

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

In 2016 a Chinese submarine surfaced in the middle of a U.S.N fleet near the Ronald Reagan off Okinawa providing a surprise A former colleague of mine told a similar story of doing the same to a US carrier on exercises in the Med. In their case, they did it at night and, after taking the requisite ...
by Caribbean
16 Feb 2019, 10:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9818
Views: 421876
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Not sure of the definition of non-platform specific, could some of the additional £250 million be allocated to GFE costs (deinstallation, servicing, nominal cost of equipement)? Are the design costs (those already allocated, as well as possibke future) coming from this pot also? Good point on GFE -...
by Caribbean
16 Feb 2019, 09:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9818
Views: 421876
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

You are misinformed, the budget has not changed, it remains 1.25b for 5 ships. Nope, completely correct - the budget for the T31 project is £1.5b, of which £1.25b is the cost of the ships themselves and an additional £250m is for (so far not detailed - unless anyone has further information), "...
by Caribbean
14 Feb 2019, 15:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 42155
Location: England

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

On a slightly different note, this sounds like the origin of the jibes about using car ferries as "warships" back in August last year. Seems he was serious and the result is potentially a sensible use of scarce resources. I wonder what will come out of the alleged comments about guns on tr...
by Caribbean
14 Feb 2019, 10:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9818
Views: 421876
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I think repetition will be an essential part of the strategy: Batch2 T31, Batch2 T26 (AAW), SSS(basic, or focussed, followed by SSS special, a sea-basing variant... which may now have faded from the plans?) - stopping the policy of producing 'templates' of types of ships and going for numbers by sh...
by Caribbean
14 Feb 2019, 09:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9818
Views: 421876
Location: England

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The Managers of the T-31e programme need to make a clear decision I think the decisions have been made, probably with more detailed foreknowledge of the RN's plans, costs and budgets than we are privy to. How we got here is a matter of record and not worth discussing further. Where we go from here ...
by Caribbean
13 Feb 2019, 23:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future ASW
Replies: 289
Views: 17882
Location: England

Re: Future ASW

Could mean that the remaining 5 2050's get the upgraded transducers (around £250k a set), and/ or software and processor upgrades. Or maybe 2 - 3 2087 sets @ approx £10m per set (The first batch of 2087s was £340m for development and supply of 6 sets, batch 2 was £17m for supply of 2 extra sets in 2...
by Caribbean
13 Feb 2019, 07:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 42155
Location: England

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

A better name for these new platforms would be something along the lines of Littoral Operations Support Platforms. Yes - they do seem to be akin to the originally-planned "seabasing" versions of the SSS. primarily there to act as a mothership/ supplies transshipment point (and good for HA...
by Caribbean
10 Feb 2019, 20:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 594
Views: 36776
Location: England

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

Poiuytrewq wrote:I think the best we can hope for is an Iver Huitfeldt/Absalon hybrid with virtually no weapons

Except for what is ported over from the T23's, of course

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