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by rec
13 Aug 2016, 15:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445248

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

The Venator has much to commend it, as an escort. 8 of these would be good. As I have mentioned before along with 10 wildcat modified to take dipping sonar. We would have a reasonable escort.
by rec
12 Aug 2016, 11:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445248

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

We have been down the two tier escourt route before: 1st rate (leanders and Rothseays) second rate (Tribals and Amazons). We have had less capable replacements before Invicibles for Ark Royal !V and Eagle If there is any chance of a sizeable (6+)light frigate programme, then tying the shipbuilding s...
by rec
12 Aug 2016, 10:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445248

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

I am not sure that this is the first time that replacement kit was less capable than current. After all The Invincible was less capable than Ark Royal IV. The type 22 batch 1 less capable as ships than the batch 2a or modified batch 3 Leander's. I think Venator is the best of the batch, especially i...
by rec
11 Aug 2016, 20:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445248

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

No idea what babcock are propsoing, maybe a forgein design under licesne or an extened Samuel Beckett. No idea, I do think the BMT Venator is better than either BAE offering.
by rec
11 Aug 2016, 19:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445248

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

Back to Type 31, which is th best option BAE's Cutlass, BMTs Venator, or a modified Absalon builyt under licence by UK yards?
by rec
11 Aug 2016, 13:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445248

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

http://www.maritime-executive.com/editorials/the-decline-of-the-royal-navy This article underlines the issues facing the RN and the need for a comprehensive shipbuilding startegy that includes T31, T26 and I would add SSK. The morale and manpower issues are growing problems which have to be addresse...
by rec
10 Aug 2016, 15:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy SSK?
Replies: 381
Views: 28058

Re: Royal Navy SSK?

The only way to get a mixed fleet is to make a bid for one, with a more interventionist government, who have made the right noises about a national industrial strategy, it's worth a go. especially as the jobs created will be in the the north of England, and maybe rosyth.,
by rec
10 Aug 2016, 13:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy SSK?
Replies: 381
Views: 28058

Re: Royal Navy SSK?

An RN Submarine force of 6 SSKS and & 7SSNS would be an effective conventional deterrent and worth lobbying for. (add 8XT26 and 8XT31, plus the 6XT45, would give a useful surface fleet) And how would you finance this fleet and get the increase in manpower required, you forgot the two carriers i...
by rec
10 Aug 2016, 11:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445248

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

shark bait wrote:Won't work, 5 frigates are not enough to sustain industry, plus they've already been promised to the Clyde yards.


The proposal from David Cameron which hasn't changed was at least 5, so fully possible to giuve 5 to the clyde
by rec
10 Aug 2016, 11:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy SSK?
Replies: 381
Views: 28058

Re: Royal Navy SSK?

There are so many arguments in favor of SSKs as well as SSNS, and to have a build of SSKs in a national shipbuilding strategy. 1) Greater numbers of Submarines avaialble 2) Better career and tainigng opportunites for Submariners 3) An oppotunity for Submariners not always to be on 9 months deploymen...
by rec
10 Aug 2016, 10:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445248

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

All the more reason to have a National Shipbuilding Strategy that includes a non BAE shipbuilder to be given the Type 31 frigate:
Either License builkd the Danish Absalon (buying the design rights) at Camil laird + Babcock
or Venators 110
by rec
10 Aug 2016, 09:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy SSK?
Replies: 381
Views: 28058

Re: Royal Navy SSK?

I think that SSKs are more than nice to have for the following reason's. Given that we only have 7 SSNs ,that are large and not at their best in shallow waters. Only having 7 SSNs limits training and command opportunities. A fleet of 6-7 SSKs would supplement the SSN fleet well, freeing them for wha...
by rec
08 Aug 2016, 17:43
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: Sea King Helicopter (RN & RAF)
Replies: 49
Views: 8579

Re: Sea King Helicopter (RN & RAF)

With only 32 Merlin HM2 that's going to prove quite an achievement for that small number of heliocpters to provide both ASW and AEW for the carriers and T23s. Is there any chanvce the 8 Merlin HM1s in storage will be comverted????
by rec
08 Aug 2016, 17:43
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: Sea King Helicopter (RN & RAF)
Replies: 49
Views: 8579

Re: Sea King Helicopter (RN & RAF)

With only 32 Merlin HM2 that's going to prove quite an achievement for that small number of heliocpters to provide both ASW and AEW for the carriers and T23s. Is there any chanvce the 8 Merlin HM1s in storage will be comverted????
by rec
17 Jul 2016, 17:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445248

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

The trouble is too long has the Uk gone for wholey expensive bespoke solutions such as Nimrod, and we can't argue that our equipment is so much better than anyone elses, and numbers don't matter. Look at the the following in cash terms between 3 countries with similar economies and costs. UK spends ...
by rec
17 Jul 2016, 15:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445248

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

Given the cost of the T26, there is nothing wrong in a lower cost escourt, which will bring an in crease in escourt numbers, after all terer is quality in quanity. One frigate can only be in one place at a time. So in my opinion there is nothing wrong with 8 T26s (providing they all have TAS, land a...
by rec
16 Jul 2016, 21:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445248

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

seaspear wrote:That sized ship could be equiped with captas2 for asw which is not expensive and provides a reasonable capability



And reasonable is all we can realistically afford, given the cost of the T26s, 8 is all we can afford on the current budget.
The best reasonable best would be 8 Type 31s.
by rec
16 Jul 2016, 11:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445248

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

rec i don't see any need for SSK at all apart from Export orders I think the submarine service is too small to sustain an effectice carreer progression and adequate training opportunities. It has to few hulls to effectively patrol around UK and north Atlantic waters, to provide adequate assessments...
by rec
16 Jul 2016, 11:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445248

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

6 type 45 16 type 26 6 type 31 WIGS,FIGS, east Africa guardship 5 river II for guardship Falklands I think that is unlikely, given the finances, this is more likely: 6 type 45 8 type 26 8 type 31 5 river II But Ideally: In addition, 6-8 SSKs ( foreign design built under license, would give a better...
by rec
09 Jul 2016, 15:45
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)
Replies: 4349
Views: 364143

Re: F-35B Lightning II (RN & RAF)

It's because the F35 is both a Harrier and a Tornado replacement (and eventually Tranche 1 Typhoon replacement), that I think a split buy is essential. So why not 80bs for RN and 60 A/Cs for the RAF? The French Navy run with just 40 Rafales in total for CDG, so 120+Bs is overkill for carrier ops
by rec
08 Jul 2016, 17:57
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)
Replies: 4349
Views: 364143

Re: F-35B Lightning II (RN & RAF)

arfah wrote:So what do the RAF replace the lost Harrier capability with?


they have a choice it's that or deep strike, surely Typhoon in part has replaced the harrier?
by rec
08 Jul 2016, 17:34
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)
Replies: 4349
Views: 364143

Re: F-35B Lightning II (RN & RAF)

I still think a split buy is best,a nd would be slightly chaerer, in addition the f35A better fits the RAF's requirements. So 3 front line F35b squardrons RN and 3 front line F35A squardrons RAF 1 joint OEU (As and Bs) 1joint OCu (As and Bs) Bases Marham and Honnington and maybe Wittering. work up t...
by rec
25 Jun 2016, 10:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445248

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

All the more reson for a UK shipbuilding startegy that gives us a non Clyde option, therfore Type 31 has to be buildable at somewhere like Camil Laird, has to be relatively cheap and quick to build, and aimed to replace the oldest T23s that don't carry TAS. In the interim while they are being bult a...
by rec
18 Jun 2016, 18:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Merlin helicopters
Replies: 399
Views: 46630

Re: Merlin helicopters

Dahedd wrote:bit OT but could the AEW package be fitted to a drone such as a Predator or the larger pattern of Zepyhr? The Zepyhr Would certainly give them high altitude coverage.


Not really OT, 30 Merlin HM2s is too few, to find funds to bring the remaining 8 HM1s to HM2 standards makes sense.
by rec
18 Jun 2016, 17:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10884
Views: 994628

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

The key is having 1) sufficient dedicated aircraft both rotary and fixed wing, 2) adequate modern escourts, and 3) good Fleet train; without these the QE class would be pointless. 1) F35B for vcarriesr only, 3 fixed wing squadrons of 14 (12 combat and 2 for buddy buddy refueling) , all RN would make...

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