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by donald_of_tokyo
07 Feb 2020, 03:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

...Actually, not that much for me. Probably because you have less of an interest (nothing wrong with that) in seeing that the Brits cannot even keep to their pathetically low target of maintaining a 19 ship escort fleet and the major reason being their appalling incompetence at every level througho...
by donald_of_tokyo
06 Feb 2020, 15:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3151
Views: 332355
Location: Japan

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

ref: "https://mobile.twitter.com/HMS_Forth/status/1225201922422059009" From HMS Forth twitter photo. I was amazed by how large her flight-deck is. On paper, it is 20 (or 21) m long, 13.6 m wide. Actually, it is as wide as that of T23 at the stern. "Goodbye and thank you to the @Grenad...
by donald_of_tokyo
06 Feb 2020, 03:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I didn 't realise you could use the Aster 30 with the Mk41 system. They do. LM official brochure. Future missile integration could include Long Range Anti-ship Missile (LRASM), Common Anti Air Modular Missile (CAMM), ASTER, Future Cruise/Anti-Ship Weapon (FC/ASW) and Barak But this does NOT mean yo...
by donald_of_tokyo
05 Feb 2020, 14:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

http://researchbriefings.files.parliame ... P-8807.pdf

Good summary of the situation. Nothing new, but very good compilation.
by donald_of_tokyo
05 Feb 2020, 12:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

....As I've said many many times, if the entire world is doing something and commonly agreeing on it as a route, then there's generally a reason. As far as I see it, a City class designed for its era would have 32x Mk41 at the front (For ASW, LCAM, AShM, SAM), the CAMM amidships (whether bespoke or...
by donald_of_tokyo
05 Feb 2020, 05:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I didn 't realise you could use the Aster 30 with the Mk41 system. They do. LM official brochure. Future missile integration could include Long Range Anti-ship Missile (LRASM), Common Anti Air Modular Missile (CAMM), ASTER, Future Cruise/Anti-Ship Weapon (FC/ASW) and Barak But this does NOT mean yo...
by donald_of_tokyo
05 Feb 2020, 00:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Also, FREDA has 32, not 16. FREDA is DDG replacement, a counter part of T45. As it retain all the ASW capabilities of FREMM, it is in some sense truly of multi-purpose frigate now. But, it lacks large radar, CMS's AAW capability limited, and, yes, only carries "up to" 32 Aster 30, only if...
by donald_of_tokyo
04 Feb 2020, 15:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I think the broad meaning is that regardless of whether it's 25km or 60km, it's a tiny patch of nothing when most major escorts in navies these days are rolling around with 120km (and commonly much higher) range SAMs at the minimum to protect themselves. Yes, T45 exists, but in too few numbers to a...
by donald_of_tokyo
04 Feb 2020, 08:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6395
Views: 577217
Location: Japan

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Timmymagic wrote:
Ron5 wrote:
Lord Jim wrote:

CAMM talk can move to escort thread, not only related to T31.
by donald_of_tokyo
04 Feb 2020, 08:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Moved from T31 NEWS thread. That's a small patch of water: a circle about 12 miles in radius for CAMM. 12 miles?? I don't think anyone seriously believes Sea Ceptor is only good for 12 miles...Janes have previously said it was good for 60km (37.5 miles). Personally, I think that's a maximum range ag...
by donald_of_tokyo
03 Feb 2020, 21:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

P.S. In this case, RN frigates with white ensign (not necessarily "commissioned") will be 2023 end 12 2024 end 11 2025 end 10+1+1=12 2026 end 9+2+2 = 13 2027 end 8+2+2 = 12 2028 end 7+3+3 = 13 2029 end 6+4+4 = 14 2030 end 5+4+4 = 13 2031 end 4+5+5 = 14 2032 end 3+5+6 = 14 2033 end 2+5+6 =...
by donald_of_tokyo
03 Feb 2020, 12:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6395
Views: 577217
Location: Japan

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

...My point was the horrendously expensive Hobart build cost, even unbelievably more expensive than a T26 I'm afraid the Hobert-class's cost is more about "how to keep the shipbuilding industry IN-efficient ". Australia thew away the Tennix yard in Williamstown (Melbourne), and moved to O...
by donald_of_tokyo
03 Feb 2020, 11:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3151
Views: 332355
Location: Japan

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Navy lookout report: "https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1224295204938829824" NavyLookout : 40 Grenadier Guardsmen joined @HMS_Forth in the Falklands for exercise. Batch II OPVs have dedicated mess (under flight deck) with bunks, galley, toilets and showers for up to 51 troops (Another...
by donald_of_tokyo
03 Feb 2020, 10:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6395
Views: 577217
Location: Japan

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

You could discuss the pros and cons Hobart verse Huitfeldt by ticking boxes, would think it a score draw eg Hobart larger number of Mk 41 VLS cells/TAS v Huitfeldt two band radar suite/nearly twice the range/two thirds crew of Hobart, but the overwhelming advantage Huitfeldt offers that swamps all ...
by donald_of_tokyo
03 Feb 2020, 10:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

If it happens, the Rosyth yard can survive until mid-2030s. Would it not be more sensible to build additional T31's for RN to maintain the drumbeat and optimise cost effectiveness rather scratch around the world for one or two export hulls? With the amount of RN and RFA vessels required in the next...
by donald_of_tokyo
03 Feb 2020, 09:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I really think, the T31 build pace must be slowed down "a little", so that the production line is "alive" until 2030+. Slow build is costy, but hurrying is also costy, especially when T26 build is in its man-power peak (= early phase of its drumbeat). I guess, 1 hull per every 1....
by donald_of_tokyo
03 Feb 2020, 07:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6395
Views: 577217
Location: Japan

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

...The ship is large, because it is made easy to maintain. In other words, it does NOT have many open space to be filled later, because many of the space has been already used to make it easier to maintain. But, this is true only if it is iver huitfeldt frigates . In T31 case, however, because the ...
by donald_of_tokyo
02 Feb 2020, 17:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6395
Views: 577217
Location: Japan

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

In addition space has been designed 'in' from maintainability POV; consider it 'on the go' as opposed to looking for somewhere where is is convenient to strip things down, put them back again... and then continue Ops, a few weeks later - v convenient if forward based Yes, the article made the point...
by donald_of_tokyo
02 Feb 2020, 17:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Drumbeat is a horrendous way to make ships though. All it means is you get less ships, for more cost, over a longer period. It completely erases the efficiency gained from subsequent builds. That is the British drumbeat. Drumbeat makes perfect sense, if you set it to a timeline that makes sense. Ut...
by donald_of_tokyo
02 Feb 2020, 12:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6395
Views: 577217
Location: Japan

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I've been out of town and just got back yesterday and sorting through a stack of mail to find the latest copy of Warship World. It contains a nice article by by Richard Scott on the Type 31 and, given the publishing date of the magazine, was written soon after the contract was announced. Anyhow a c...
by donald_of_tokyo
02 Feb 2020, 06:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3151
Views: 332355
Location: Japan

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Good article, although the photo is wrong/misleading ...

https://www.forces.net/analysis/lima-ch ... nd-islands
by donald_of_tokyo
01 Feb 2020, 05:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/budget-cuts-boris-john-sajid-javid-government-a9308726.html If it is 5% of defense spending, it is 2B GBP per year, 20B GBP for 10 years. As about 45% is equipment budget (purchase and maintenance), it means 10B GBP in equipment (or ~5B GBP in purchase)...
by donald_of_tokyo
31 Jan 2020, 02:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Thanks. Either way, the AShM having a few hundred KM range, and the LCAM having at least a four figure range is crucial to operations. China isn't the only one. Russia has always used very long range, and continues to improve this. Iran is also going this way. North Korean may do so in future (they ...
by donald_of_tokyo
31 Jan 2020, 02:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

UK is building 5 T31 in a yard different from that building T26. Very inefficient way UK has selected. So, the results we see. I simply think it was a stupid decision, sorry. (I am anti- "anti-BAE" saga. If BAE is not good, MOD must correct it, not punish it). The work has gone to a yard ...
by donald_of_tokyo
30 Jan 2020, 15:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 970228
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

There is no sane way NSM replaces Tomahawk. As said, it's wholly useless at land attack, and for anything other than second line ships (as in the USN) or as an interim measure, is rapidly approaching obsolescence as an AShM for serious navies, when AShM's are poised to look at 500km as the minimum ...

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