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by Repulse
31 May 2019, 15:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)
Replies: 260
Views: 19506
Location: United Kingdom

Re: RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)

Avoiding overloading the Amphibious thread with pics of RFA Argus, but the one below from a week ago is a great example of what the ship can give - apart from HMS Queen Elizabeth what other ship in active service can operate even this small number of helicopters? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7UOAZmX...
by Repulse
31 May 2019, 13:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

According to @CdrBobBond on Twitter the UK JEF will be operating 8 Merlins - nice pic of Argus’s lift.

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by Repulse
31 May 2019, 10:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

They probably won't see their successors until the mid to late 2030s. Important point, which I agree with and even think that really we will be looking at 2040s before any replacements arrive, by which point amphibious warfare will have evolved further. If we actually look at what we have now, with...
by Repulse
31 May 2019, 10:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9850
Views: 424440
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I thought the Nansen Class design was a derivation on the Álvaro de Bazán-class frigate, the latter being 15m longer.
by Repulse
30 May 2019, 17:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5949
Views: 280643
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

donald_of_tokyo wrote:~1m extension astern on the flight deck


I saw that, seems strange as the flight deck already looked to be Merlin capable and it’s not meant to be there for carrying any weight - any ideas?
by Repulse
30 May 2019, 17:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
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Views: 280643
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Tempest414 wrote:for me if they want to put 24 CAMM on Leander fit 2 EXLS in place of the tubs and clean the hole thing up those horrid tubs make the ship look cheap and now they have added another cheap tub


Perhaps the RN has offered up the existing T23 tubes for free?
by Repulse
30 May 2019, 15:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5949
Views: 280643
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Interesting looks to me a 57mm gun and 24 CAMM launchers - no other VLS. Could this be the RN version?
by Repulse
30 May 2019, 14:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Views: 424440
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Bringing this over from the T26 News thread, but to make the design more sellable to the USN, could a shortened variant make commercial sense to BAE & HMG? Big assumptions, but if by removing the Mission Bay and Chinook capable deck (@20m) could save say 10% on the cost. Replacing one of the 8 T...
by Repulse
30 May 2019, 13:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

shark bait, a conversion would be okay also.
by Repulse
30 May 2019, 13:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

It's not going to happen, QE and PWLS will not see action at the same time. For amphibious ops a single carrier will be operating with a Hybrid air wing of F35 + Commando helicopters. It may happen if we were at war with a peer, but anything else I agree the chances of both operating together are s...
by Repulse
30 May 2019, 11:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Making use of what we have means using the carriers. This is acceptable in the short term because the UK don't have many F35, however one day there wont be the space for 10+ commando Merlin, and another deck will be required. It means using both CVFs AND an Argus replacement in supporting amphibiou...
by Repulse
30 May 2019, 10:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Whatever happened to keeping things simple? Sure, it may be possible to distribute just as many helicopters around the fleet, but operational efficiency will suffer. Operating aircraft at sea, is incredibly complex. Amphibious assaults are incredibly complex tasks. There is no need to make the job ...
by Repulse
30 May 2019, 07:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3840
Views: 216042
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Ron5 , seems like T26 remains a remote outsider due to cost & size, with most fancying a FREMM variant. Shame HMG/BAE hasn’t invested in a Frigate Factory as this expertise could have been sold on to the likes of the US and Canada. I’m going to regret saying this but may be having a shorter/lig...
by Repulse
29 May 2019, 17:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Can the RN afford the cost of a 'distributed LPH'? Probably not, nor can it afford a real LPH anytime soon neither. I see an Argus replacement being an affordable and defendable option (the icing on the cake would be to buy two, arguing that the RN needs a 100% capability). The Bay LSDs are useful ...
by Repulse
29 May 2019, 16:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Argus isn't really a hangar forward design, though, the hangar is below the flight deck and she has a lift (originally two) to assist with moving aircraft to and from the hangar. Fair enough - perhaps it’s the best affordable / effective compromise design between a flattop and a Bay Class with hang...
by Repulse
29 May 2019, 15:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

ArmChairCivvy wrote:and the counter (an operational concept, as opposed to leaving everything to "design"


Seems to be a concept currently in action:

https://mobile.twitter.com/CdrBobBond/status/1133612016013381633
by Repulse
29 May 2019, 14:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
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Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Jake1992 , but by spreading out your hangar space you end up needing more crew / kit (cost) to cover the same number of helicopters. It also makes each LPD/LSD more expensive and less capable in other areas. Also I think that I read somewhere that trials have shown that a Bay-style hull (superstruc...
by Repulse
29 May 2019, 14:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Jake1992 , completely agree - you have one ship with a hangar for 6 Merlins (excluding Helos on the Escorts which would be a mixture of ASW Merlins and Wildcats) and then use the landing spots also on the Albion and Bay - that’s what they have been designed for. Not as neat as a LPH no, but cost ef...
by Repulse
29 May 2019, 12:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

don't know any example of a ship operating 6 helicopters without being a big flat top RFA Argus can operate up to 6 Merlins and RFA Victoria up to 5 Merlins. Admittedly, the most I can find deployed is 4 Merlins / Apaches, but originally she was designed to ferry 12 Harriers before the conversion. ...
by Repulse
29 May 2019, 10:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

The Bay Class is already excellent, the Navy already know they work well, why not a new generation of those? Have no issue with a new Bay Class as long as the hanger capacity allows for @6 Merlins. The reason I linked a “JSS” to the FSS was that there is budget free and a ship that could double as ...
by Repulse
28 May 2019, 18:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

why not forget the FLSS as advertised and replace them with 2 RFA JSSs instead. You are replacing a yacht - with a couple of guys, in their seats in the back, going for Blue Marlin - with a full-blown whaling expedition - the idea is to have these assets in regions where there are no whales You are...
by Repulse
28 May 2019, 18:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

With RFA Wave Knight joining the UK contribution to the JEF the package is looking even more impressive - with double the following the RN would be able to have a 100% deployable (not necessarily deployed) ARG: - 1 x LPD - 1 x LSD - 2 x Points - 1 x Tanker - 1 x JSS (Ft Victoria & Argus replacem...
by Repulse
28 May 2019, 14:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

A Joint Support Ship (JSS) like the Dutch is in the order of £400mn a piece. Making the assumption that a FSS will be in the order of £350mn a piece, then why not forget the FLSS as advertised and replace them with 2 RFA JSSs instead. Whilst each could still be forward based, effectively they could ...
by Repulse
28 May 2019, 14:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

NDCC Almirante Saboia is Sir Bedivere, so over 50 years old. NDCC Garcia D'Avila is Sir Galahad commissioned in 87.
by Repulse
27 May 2019, 22:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Lord Jim wrote:Out of interest, how long were the Bay class's predecessors in service for, the Knights of the Round Table LSTs?


1964 with Sir Tristan still used as a static training ship in Portland.

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