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by Repulse
08 Oct 2019, 12:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6206
Views: 417569
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

jonas wrote:Yes the mushrooms have gone


The image isn’t clear to my eye as they could still be mushrooms like in the Leander images.

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by Repulse
08 Oct 2019, 08:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6206
Views: 417569
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Looks like 12 SeaCeptor VLS tubes to me... the let down begins.
by Repulse
07 Oct 2019, 20:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10728
Views: 666878
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I listened to the clip, and I must say the Minister had the right question of “what is the UK’s ambition” coupled with “currently it is to work with international partners rather than independently”. I didn’t hear anything to suggest that a B2 River would be retasked to work in high threat areas, bu...
by Repulse
07 Oct 2019, 13:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 734
Views: 74719
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Not directly related to the FLSS, but is IMO related to the amphibious balance it will be part of. What would be the estimated ballpark cost, £a upfront and ongoing maintenance + crew to stand up the 2nd LPD such that each CVF has a paired LPD with CAMM? £100m+£50mn pa? It would in my view firstly a...
by Repulse
06 Oct 2019, 15:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 734
Views: 74719
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

We can not afford stealth ships and if we could then type 26 would be it and we can't even afford 13 type 26's Disagree, stealth is just a relative term and if you look at other navies looking to defend / control Littoral waters then they go for corvette sized ships - the RN didn’t it went for a bl...
by Repulse
06 Oct 2019, 09:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 734
Views: 74719
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

May be just meaning, LPD and LSD replacements shall be several LSDs, and not LHD with which I guess only two can be built? A lot of people will disagree but whilst a USN size LHD would be interesting, I think the need for a LHD either of that size or smaller within the RN isn’t high on the list IMO...
by Repulse
06 Oct 2019, 08:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 734
Views: 74719
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Caribbean , what I question is with limited resources where should the UK focus it’s limited resources. For example, FLSS/T31 combo for lower end ops is ok, but an Multirole Auxiliary with a SAM VLS and multiple calibrate guns / CIWS, plus a large hangar could do the same (like the original Fort II...
by Repulse
05 Oct 2019, 22:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 734
Views: 74719
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Well, considering that the T31 can carry an EMF of c. 75 and will have the capability to use 4 x 9.5m RhIBs and a Merlin HC3/4 (combined capacity c. 75 pax), I would say that supporting amphibious ops is entirely possible. A T31 plus an FLSS would give you the capability of landing and retrieving 2...
by Repulse
05 Oct 2019, 11:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 734
Views: 74719
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

donald_of_tokyo, this is one of the reasons why the T31 is a waste of an opportunity. I get the GP frigate bit, but ANY frigate can do the GP bit - it needs to have a primary role - either a MHC mothership or an Amphibious Support frigate.
by Repulse
04 Oct 2019, 21:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3009
Views: 221220
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

There is no point in a Navy that has to operate under the cover of land based aircraft. Save all the money and just operate from the shore. Of course the RN like to operate where there is no infrastructure, so organic aviation remains highly valuable. But this isn’t “the navy” it’s part of it worki...
by Repulse
29 Sep 2019, 11:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10728
Views: 666878
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Type 45 and 31 = 1 x 76mm , 2 x 40mm , 2 x Phalanx , 4 x HMG Type 26 = 1 x 127mm , 2 x 40mm , 2 x Phalanx , 4 x HMG River class 1 x 40mm , 4 x HMG the rest of the fleet and RFA would carry on with the 30mm and Phalanx until replacement of the MCM and Echo's with MHC when they to would move to 40mm ...
by Repulse
29 Sep 2019, 11:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10728
Views: 666878
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

All this talk of “just another £60mn per vessel” is a classic death by a thousand cuts discussion, as that £300mn has to come from somewhere else, and makes the chance of getting more T31s ever slimmer. Babcock have said they can, and will be contracted to build 5 to the RN spec at £250mn each and I...
by Repulse
29 Sep 2019, 09:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: NavyX - the Royal Navy’s new Autonomy and Lethality Accelerator
Replies: 11
Views: 1278
Location: United Kingdom

Re: NavyX - the Royal Navy’s new Autonomy and Lethality Accelerator

At the recent DSEI Admiral Tony Radakin explained the approach to start small and then move eventually to larger ships, like the Sea Hunter - perhaps a different approach to the USN. https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2019/09/20/the-royal-navys-top-officer-lays-out-vision-for-unmanned-surface-vessels...
by Repulse
29 Sep 2019, 09:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: NavyX - the Royal Navy’s new Autonomy and Lethality Accelerator
Replies: 11
Views: 1278
Location: United Kingdom

NavyX - the Royal Navy’s new Autonomy and Lethality Accelerator

Given that the Royal Navy has repackaged it’s autonomous research, designs and trials programmes under one umbrella, thought it would be ideal to have a single topic to track and discuss. From the RN Website: NavyX is the Royal Navy’s new Autonomy and Lethality Accelerator, which will rapidly develo...
by Repulse
28 Sep 2019, 08:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10728
Views: 666878
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Difficult to guess what pipeline of work they have in mind, but thought the following wording from Geoffrey Cox was interesting: Appledore has a unique place in the shipbuilding industry. Its yard is brilliantly suited to producing the kind of small and medium vessels, off shore patrol vessels parti...
by Repulse
27 Sep 2019, 20:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10728
Views: 666878
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

A bit more info on Appledore - from the comments doesn’t look T31 related.

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/20 ... -shipyard/
by Repulse
27 Sep 2019, 20:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10728
Views: 666878
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Light on details - has anyone got more info on the following?

https://www.gmb.org.uk/news/gmb-welcome ... e-shipyard
by Repulse
27 Sep 2019, 15:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 734
Views: 74719
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

SW1, I’d personally add RFA Victoria to the EoS LSG and RFA Argus and a Wave Class to the WoS one, but in principle completely agree.
by Repulse
27 Sep 2019, 14:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10700
Views: 931643
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Can anybody tell me what the minimum number of fixed wing aircraft would be to be able to deploy a meaningful strike capability (in addition to CAP)? 16, 18, 20 F35B? More? I thought the old Invincible class could operate two harrier squadrons of 9 a/c - one FAA for CAP and another RAF for Strike. ...
by Repulse
23 Sep 2019, 16:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10728
Views: 666878
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Jake1992 , at the end of the day it’s down to hard choices - even putting hangars on 5 OPVs could be comparable to putting ASMs onto the T45, or buying a decent set of CB90s - for me both of these examples would come ahead of a hanger for the OPV. Whether you agree or not, the choice for the T31 al...
by Repulse
23 Sep 2019, 13:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10728
Views: 666878
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The T31 decision has no effect on this; a T31 does not change how incredibly useful and organic helicopter is. There are plenty of helicopters; the Navy has 28 wildcat at their disposal to spread between 17 active combatants. The T31 does impact the decision - including the T31s and the RFAs, there...
by Repulse
22 Sep 2019, 18:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10728
Views: 666878
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

If HMG wants an enhanced forward presence then more vessels need to be built and more helicopters need to be procured to operate from them. If that's unaffordable then so is the idea of enhanced forward presence. It couldn't be simpler. Building less and less capable vessels to stay within an inade...
by Repulse
22 Sep 2019, 18:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10728
Views: 666878
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I don’t think the risk is with the RN at all. The RN for once has covered themselves from expensive overruns - the point is that a large amount of what is in the brochure and what people are hoping for is FFBNW, and as such it will be paying for costly upgrades to get the ships into a position wher...
by Repulse
22 Sep 2019, 10:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10728
Views: 666878
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Why not just build more helicopters? I’m not arguing against this, but what gives when you move funding in this direction? The future will be more about having adaptable platforms with off board systems doing a lot of the heavy lifting, but the overall capabilities still need to be balanced. The re...
by Repulse
22 Sep 2019, 09:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10728
Views: 666878
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

It goes without saying that any new OPV's should have a hanger included from the start. Given the decision on the T31, the limited number of helicopter assets and no sign of significant increase in funding, this is a nice-to-have. C3s/OPVs will operate primarily in range of land bases, and when the...

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