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by Repulse
18 Sep 2019, 20:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 200299
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Poiuytrewq , thanks for the info, but I would say that a delay in the delivery of the T31 by a year or two would not be significant assuming the availability of other platforms was able to remain high. As such I do not see this in itself a reason to up-gun the B2s. What I would say is that having j...
by Repulse
18 Sep 2019, 13:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 200299
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Caribbean , personally not convinced on the short term need for the 40mm, and would keep to a 57mm and 30mm combo to minimise overall impact to supply and support requirements. Given we are a couple of years from their commissioning, I agree that Spey and Tamar should be the EoS platforms and add f...
by Repulse
17 Sep 2019, 20:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 200299
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

shark bait , an extended River with hangar would have been lovely, and something that I think should still be on the wish list; but we are where we are and looking to maximise the value of the B2s with a very modest budget is the right thing to do. I know it’s far from ideal, but given that there w...
by Repulse
17 Sep 2019, 18:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 174
Views: 10377
Location: United Kingdom

Re: 76mm Oto Melara

Who can change the name of the thread?
by Repulse
17 Sep 2019, 13:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 200299
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

That's not an advantage, that's a list of places. Ok, what’s the advantage of a 57mm gun on a B2 River? For #5, it can more safely operate close to Yemeni and Somali coastlines where the threat of attack from fast craft and UAVs is increasing. Alternatively buy more T31s with 57mms to do the same, ...
by Repulse
16 Sep 2019, 22:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 200299
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

I struggle to see the advantage here. What would a future up-gunned OPV do that it can't do today? As per one of my Escort Thread posts, the answer starts with the question how the 5 B2s and 5 T31s be deployed to cover the FRE, NATO, Forward Based and Future Commando LSG requirements. Personally I ...
by Repulse
15 Sep 2019, 18:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 709
Views: 64784
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Infact I don’t think a uk lpd has been used in anger since the Falklands. Good point, but a little unfair as the Albion’s were commissioned just after Telic, which is the main amphibious op since Falklands. Also, they have been used for various Civilian Evacuations in the Med and West Africa which ...
by Repulse
15 Sep 2019, 11:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6175
Views: 381634
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Simon82, have added my thoughts on the need to rationalise the number of gun variants to the 76mm thread as it’s wider than just this topic. Perhaps a Mod can change the title if marktigger agrees.
by Repulse
15 Sep 2019, 11:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 174
Views: 10377
Location: United Kingdom

Re: 76mm Oto Melara

Not sure where to put this, as it’s not necessarily platform related, but relevant to RN discussions. If the T31e comes with 57mm and 40mm guns that would mean we would have 8 different types of gun mounts / calibres in wide use in the RN/RFA. 1) 20mm “old” Mount (Older RFAs) 2) 20mm “new Mount (Ech...
by Repulse
15 Sep 2019, 10:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 709
Views: 64784
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

If the flag ship hq capability are removed from the Albion’s and transferred to the carriers is there that much reason for retaining them, without that role are they that much different to a bay. The main reasons would be they currently provide 75% of the RN well-dock capability, and ship to shore ...
by Repulse
15 Sep 2019, 10:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 709
Views: 64784
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Lord Jim , I see your point on Solid Stores and the complexity it would add to the “FLSS” requirement. Also, the original JSBL concept was aimed at Brigade Level ops where now that would now be seen to be a serious one off commitment, with a combination of large parts of the fleet plus STUFT. Ultim...
by Repulse
15 Sep 2019, 08:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 709
Views: 64784
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Further to my last post a few comments questions: - the focus on scale of operations is clearly different, moving from “ARG” 1,800 troop operations to “LSG” sub 200 (working with SFs) Operations. I’m sure the RM will want to retain a Cdo level capability but it will be an extreme case not the norm. ...
by Repulse
15 Sep 2019, 08:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 709
Views: 64784
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Interesting input into the debate: https://news.usni.org/2019/09/11/dsei-royal-marines-embrace-littoral-strike-and-prepare-to-forward-deploy The key comments for me for thought are: “Starting in 2023, Royal Marines will be permanently forward-deployed close to potential trouble spots. Company-level ...
by Repulse
14 Sep 2019, 16:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 709
Views: 64784
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

dmereifield wrote:No Albions?


Good question, must admit I didn’t think by default the Albion’s would sail with a LSG nor be forward based. If required the Albion’s would take a LSG up to a ARG alongside a CVF in LPH mode. Anyone know the what the vision is?
by Repulse
14 Sep 2019, 15:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 600888
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Lord Jim wrote:Ok five then if it makes people happy. :D


I was expecting CASD which is why I asked in case I was going mad...
by Repulse
14 Sep 2019, 13:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 600888
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Lord Jim wrote:the six priorities laid down by the Admiral recently?


Six, I’ve read five?
    North Atlantic
    Carrier strike
    Future commando force
    Forward presence
    Technology and innovation
by Repulse
14 Sep 2019, 13:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 709
Views: 64784
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

SW1 , agree with the main thrust of your argument. The way I see it the 2 T31s (assuming that would be the approach), plus the Wave would have a total of 3 Wildcats, possibly 4 if the Bay kept its hangar (but that’s questionable as you’d probably want to maximise deck space). The old Fort I’s have ...
by Repulse
14 Sep 2019, 07:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 600888
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Up arming OPVs is also pointless speculation, as again it will not happen. Rear Admiral Paul Halton at DSEI, “We are thinking about how we might enhance the lethality of the Batch II OPVs”. Now I don’t think he was seriously considering pimping Thai style, and I suspect it’s more larger gun and LMM...
by Repulse
13 Sep 2019, 20:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 200299
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Poiuytrewq , it would be perverse, but then what is the RN thought process here. Assuming that all 8 T26s and 6 T45s are tied up on CSG and TAPS and the B1 Rivers are retained for U.K. Fisheries, then all other “warship” duties will need to be performed by the 5 T31s and 5 B2 Rivers. Assuming that ...
by Repulse
13 Sep 2019, 20:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 709
Views: 64784
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

I’m still a fan of basing it around what we have, so till late 2020s I’d go for the following per group. Either RFA Argus or RFA Fort Victoria 1 x Wave Class Tanker 1 x Bay Class LSD 2 x T31s Mid to late 2020s I would then replace with perhaps an enlarged FSS with hanger space for 4 Merlins or 2 Chi...
by Repulse
12 Sep 2019, 09:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6175
Views: 381634
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

shark bait wrote:What the hell as we going to talk about here now?


Why the RN ships have none of the kit that was shown in the glossy sales brochures and models.
by Repulse
11 Sep 2019, 22:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6175
Views: 381634
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

FT seems confident on the Babcock bid.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EENgbhvX4AA ... name=large
by Repulse
11 Sep 2019, 21:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6175
Views: 381634
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

CL seem to be happy to work with whoever. Must admit I like the design in the picture in the link below - looks more realistic than the A140, but also seems to have lost the boat bays.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps ... pe-31e-al/
by Repulse
10 Sep 2019, 20:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 962
Views: 68820
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Any news on the approx unit cost? Tide class were approx £140mn per unit, would these be 2-3 times more expensive?
by Repulse
10 Sep 2019, 13:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 962
Views: 68820
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

No mention of what aviation support facilities there are in the BMT/Navantia design - assume same as the Tide class? If so, my view is that it’s missing an opportunity and would like to see the same as RFA Victoria - IF there will be more than 2 and the additional 1/2 could be used to support other ...

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