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- 20 Mar 2024, 20:03
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5411
- Views: 1419955
- 20 Mar 2024, 19:49
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
I would say the LHA mode would be a natural default configuration for a CVF. This for me is something in the region of a sqd of 8-12 F35s, 6 AEW/ASW Merlins, 8 Commando Merlins, 3 Chinooks and 4 Wildcats, plus two companies of RMs. The problem you have with this default position is other than the c...
- 20 Mar 2024, 15:49
- Forum: Joint Service
- Topic: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)
- Replies: 6067
- Views: 1723717
Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)
It should be four squadrons of 9 a/c like the harriers had IMO.
- 20 Mar 2024, 14:16
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
…we are down to replacing the 3 Bay's and Argus…. I’m not sure it’s that simple. Given the rest of the fleet is being shredded to operate both CVFs concurrently what is being gained by doing so? Operating the second vessel as a LPH isn’t a rational argument so what is the second CVF actually achiev...
- 20 Mar 2024, 13:46
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Just to confirm we are talking about the same things - the RN has never operated a LHD. HMS Ocean was a LPH, the old Albion and Bulwark were light carriers that were converted to be Commando carriers (LPHs before that was a term). Yes I was talking about old Commando carriers. And yes you are right...
- 20 Mar 2024, 13:12
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
I personally would like to see RN operate LHD again. All those previously operated by RN, old HMS Albion (R07) and HMS Bulwark (R08) and HMS Ocean were very useful for the RN. Just to confirm we are talking about the same things - the RN has never operated a LHD. HMS Ocean was a LPH, the old Albion...
- 20 Mar 2024, 13:08
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Thank you. Your views are clear. So how do you see it working? • The T32 and MRSS remain unfunded. The steel needs to be cut if the first T32 in 2026 or the drumbeat is lost at Rosyth. • RN has no crew for the current active LPD. • RN has no spare crew for the 5x T32. • The RFA have only got the cr...
- 19 Mar 2024, 07:36
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Absolutely - I’m less fussed with a LHD, but as long as it has a large enough flight deck, and we don’t get over excited by the well dock then we are talking about minor details. Rather than continuing to increasingly spread thin our investment in an incoherent/ ineffective capability we should dou...
- 18 Mar 2024, 22:28
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
If FAA, not enough to justify LPH. If RAF/AAC, aircraft have to big footprint to fit many on LPH to justify size of LPH. … Your vision is at least 3bn. 6x MRSS? Probably £2-3bn The UK needs to think about platforms to operate all of its assets, Chinooks are a large part of the country’s lift capabi...
- 18 Mar 2024, 18:48
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
1) What about marines? Army helicopters that take up 3x hanger capacity? what about the fact that your vision costs more? What is it not enough helicopters or that they take up more space - there is a reason why the QE class is big. My vision costs more than what? I appreciate it is unlikely given ...
- 18 Mar 2024, 17:23
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
- 18 Mar 2024, 17:22
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
1) Cost a hell of a lot more, but you ask for a new 1 of 1 QE class sized vessel with capacity for vehicles and marines for less than what a QE carrier cost? Not like we have enough helicopters for it anyways... 2) You are utterly delusional if you think we can have 2 ships of 3 constantly n deploy...
- 18 Mar 2024, 09:15
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
- 18 Mar 2024, 09:14
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
1) So if in a combined group why would it matter if each individual platform is does not accel in any particular area if the total is the same? 2) We don't have enough carriers to do continuous CSG ops so your solution is to use those vessels as a back up for your fragile amphibious strategy? 3) So...
- 17 Mar 2024, 21:16
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
... one large flat deck LPH ... One LPH would not be enough. Current plan for RM is to have 2 LRG, one in the North and one in the South (Mediterranean/Indo-Pacific). Each one is supposed to have two amphibious ships. So if RN wants/could afford LHD/LPH, it would need at least two, one for each gro...
- 17 Mar 2024, 21:05
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
1) Compromised how? 2) One LPH so it's only available at readiness or in operation 1/2 of the time? 3) The stores the FSS carries are quite different to those an amphibious operation would carry no? 1) 3 Merlin’s not enough for a OTH assault, 2 LCUs too few for an other beach operation. Yes you cou...
- 17 Mar 2024, 19:19
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Let’s forget about six MRSS, even if they could be afforded a single class would either result in a compromised class that can’t do everything or gaps in capability. My vote, one large flat deck LPH, an additional FSS and confirmation of replacements for the Point Class (going back up to six).
- 17 Mar 2024, 14:15
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
For what advantage? To be able to simultaneously load and launch multiple large helicopters / VTOL UAVs as part of an OTH operation - same logic why the Albion class can handle two Chinooks simultaneously. Yes but a normal LPD can do that no? As far I can see the pitched Ellida design can operate t...
- 17 Mar 2024, 09:08
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
- 15 Mar 2024, 10:48
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
It is now clear that MRSS needs to be a flattop LPD design capable of operating Merlin , NMH, Apache , Wildcat and MALE drones plus operating Chinooks that would be hangared and maintained on the Carriers A flattop yes, the question for me is what hangar space is required on the amphibious ship its...
- 15 Mar 2024, 08:18
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Chinook capable flight deck is a must.
- 14 Mar 2024, 15:12
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5974
- Views: 1499951
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/03/singapore-cuts-steel-on-its-first-multirole-combat-vessel-mrcv/ Interesting concept. Not quite an amphib, not quite an escort. At 8,000t it's a fair bit bigger than the Absalon Class too. - Leonardo’s 76mm naval gun in the STRALES variant; - MBDA’s VL MI...
- 10 Mar 2024, 11:25
- Forum: Political Discussions
- Topic: CSDP
- Replies: 66
- Views: 3286
- 09 Mar 2024, 18:57
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: General UK Defence Discussion
- Replies: 1842
- Views: 183958
Re: General UK Defence Discussion
There is no vision or strategy being offered by either of the main political parties for the country no goal to aim for and work toward, so defence does not have a viable strategy to support a vision that does not exist. Absolutely this - without stated a vision and goals everything else is rudderl...
- 09 Mar 2024, 18:02
- Forum: General Discussion
- Topic: General UK Defence Discussion
- Replies: 1842
- Views: 183958
Re: General UK Defence Discussion
You are going to have to spell out how you see that working against a peer with possibly 5 million men at arms within 3 years. The rest of Europes armies are in a similar state to the U.K. so placing complete confidence there may be unwise at this stage. Much depends on a US contribution and that i...