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by Tempest414
26 Sep 2019, 18:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3008
Views: 216434
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

For me the best place to start with the B2's is to get on with UAV operations by leasing a few Camcopter's capable of carrying and operating 2 x LMM for Medway's AP-N deployment this will really give the ship a fighting chance against smugglers and so on How likley is it that RN would use LMM from ...
by Tempest414
26 Sep 2019, 18:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3008
Views: 216434
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

For me the best place to start with the B2's is to get on with UAV operations by leasing a few Camcopter's capable of carrying and operating 2 x LMM for Medway's AP-N deployment this will really give the ship a fighting chance against smugglers and so on
by Tempest414
26 Sep 2019, 18:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 731
Views: 72380
Location: France

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

For me the place we need to get to over the next few years is having two LSG's made up of 1 x FLSS 1 x Bay 1 x Point one group EoS and one West these groups could be backed up by the duty Carrier group and Albion. I still feel we should also be looking to form a EoS command with 4 x Type 31 , 1 x FL...
by Tempest414
26 Sep 2019, 09:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future ASW
Replies: 367
Views: 30140
Location: France

Re: Future ASW

well then the way round this is for A-140 is to have the stern ramp fitted to the below deck mission space this would also allow RM to deploy something like CB-90
by Tempest414
25 Sep 2019, 10:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 174
Views: 12453
Location: France

Re: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion

Do we know what spec level we are going for with the Mk4 if we adopt it. Like the 57mm you get what you pay for. Also if we are going to introduce the Mk4 shouldn't we be looking at also including it on the T-26 instead of the 30mm? This could be what the thinking is after the 30mm LMM trial. LMM f...
by Tempest414
25 Sep 2019, 09:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future ASW
Replies: 367
Views: 30140
Location: France

Re: Future ASW

shark bait wrote:Also note the mission bay under the flight deck, that is similarly sized to the T26 mission bay


And if this space had a stern ramp it could be very useful
by Tempest414
24 Sep 2019, 10:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10605
Views: 913409
Location: France

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Does anyone know on the first deployment with us marines onboard how many frigates and destroyers will be with HMS qe and I think bi heard the Dutch were sending a frigate on that deployment but could be wrong ,just wondering who else ? Last thing I saw was the the UK were deploying two T-45's and ...
by Tempest414
24 Sep 2019, 10:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 174
Views: 12453
Location: France

Re: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion

If I was the RN I would accept the T-31 into service with a 57mm, 2x 30mm RWS with or without LMM port and starboard and a Phalanx on top of the hanger, as far as a gun fit goes. there is plenty of room if funding allows additional systems to be fitted if the need arises. what's wrong with the 2x 4...
by Tempest414
23 Sep 2019, 11:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 174
Views: 12453
Location: France

Re: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion

Though I agree with the point about keeping Phalanx (even if its effectiveness is diminishing, it still seems effective for now), for the 40mm it depends which variant we purchase. There are variants with their own integrated radar and FCS that can automatically acquire and track targets without ex...
by Tempest414
23 Sep 2019, 09:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651557
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

This is why I used the them "organic aviation", it is totally worth exploring unmanned aircraft. However as it stands the Navy have a total of Zero UAV's. For me if we can get to a place where the RB2's have a better main gun something like a Mk-4 40mm that would offer better basic all ro...
by Tempest414
23 Sep 2019, 09:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651557
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

To say that we need more T26 or more capable T26 just because we have to over-match two of our closest allies is nonsense. We will not be fighting Canada or Australia. The RN needs to spend its budget to meet its actual needs and not spend it so you can win a game of top trumps. See and this is why...
by Tempest414
22 Sep 2019, 12:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651557
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

However the Type 31 program is not without its money questions i.e the fact we paid 3 companies 5 million pounds for design work this lead to two good ship designs with the winning bid from Babcocks and a well developed design that BAE can still push so money well spent in my book . But as for the t...
by Tempest414
21 Sep 2019, 15:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651557
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Are the RB2s really the best vessel for the C3 ? Yes they could do the mcm, survey and Littoral ASW but are no best designed to. Surely something with an open work deck and covered work area in front with at least a UAV hanger and multiple dividends and cranes would be better. A Venari 95 or modern...
by Tempest414
21 Sep 2019, 11:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 174
Views: 12453
Location: France

Re: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion

This would give RN four common gun options, 127mm, 57mm, 30mm(LMM) and 20mm Phalanx. Seems pretty well balanced. If we are to move to four common gun options then I would like to see a move to 127mm , 76mm , 40mm , 20mm Phalanx this would allow Type 45 ) 1 x 76mm , 2 x Phalanx , 2 x 40mm plus 48 As...
by Tempest414
21 Sep 2019, 11:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651557
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Given what has been talked about i.e 3 more T-31 and more Rivers if we could end up with a fleet of

6 x type 45 to be replaced by 8 new ship
8 x type 26
8 x type 31
8 x OPV's

we would be in a great place with 16 C1's , 8 C2's and 8 C3's
by Tempest414
21 Sep 2019, 09:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3008
Views: 216434
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

OK lets dip into a little bit of fantasy for a bit and say HMG stump up for 3 extra type 31's and 3 more patrol ships what could we do. In and around the time frame of 2023/4 .we will have type 23's starting to be decommissioned this could offer up some kit for the 3 new patrol ships. Should we try ...
by Tempest414
20 Sep 2019, 10:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3008
Views: 216434
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Replacement with three purpose-designed patrol frigates (c. 2500t range and a target cost of c. £175m) would be a sensible move and would provide the patrol fleet with a greater capability in higher-threat areas. Why would you spend 175m on a patrol frigate? You’d be better off buying 2 extra type ...
by Tempest414
20 Sep 2019, 10:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 174
Views: 12453
Location: France

Re: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion

If the T31's are replacing the T23's GP's instead of the originally proposed T26 GP's, it stands to reason that the T31's must be capable of providing NGFS or its just another capability cut to fit within the inadequate £1.25bn budget. I think the 5" is out of the question for type 31 this is ...
by Tempest414
19 Sep 2019, 17:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 174
Views: 12453
Location: France

Re: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion

As much as I have pushed the 76mm and 2 x 40mm combo I would be happy with a 57mm and 2 x 40mm as said there is still room for 2 x Phalanx one each side of the rear 40mm mount . I also put forward last year the idea of 3 x 57mm and if A-140 had this plus 2 x Phalanx and 24 CAMM they would be a very ...
by Tempest414
19 Sep 2019, 10:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3008
Views: 216434
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Why are you only giving the B1's a 20 year life surly they should be good for 30 years which takes them up to 2033 There has been a lot of talk about 57mm and CAMM being fitted to the B2's but I think we do have to think long term and have the B2's return to take over from the B1's as they retire. W...
by Tempest414
18 Sep 2019, 10:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3008
Views: 216434
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

In my opinion all this talk about up-arming the OPV's is a classic case of mission creep. Patrolling around the Falklands, Gibraltar and the Caribbean does not require anything more than a 30mm. If that changes then it's the job for a Frigate or Corvette anyway. The RB2's should concentrate on patr...
by Tempest414
17 Sep 2019, 10:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 174
Views: 12453
Location: France

Re: 76mm Oto Melara

Lets not forget that there is still room for 2 x Phalanx each side of the rear 40mm mount on A-140 meaning if fitted this ship could put out 360 degrees of area defence from 1 km to 25 km's. so as long as the mounts and power are fitted the Phalanx's weapons are pooled. So along with the 57mm and 40...
by Tempest414
17 Sep 2019, 10:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 174
Views: 12453
Location: France

Re: 76mm Oto Melara

RichardIC wrote:LMM is a means of getting a small proximity fused warhead out to a distance of around 5 miles. Exactly the same with 40mm.


And instead of having 5 LMM ready to fire on a mount you will have 100 40mm rounds ready to fire on a mount
by Tempest414
16 Sep 2019, 11:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 408662
Location: France

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

For me yes a 3000 to 4000 ton ship could have met the brief but if you can get a bigger ship with more space why would you not go for it we all know the NSS is looking the wrong away at exports when it should be looking at building UK ships in UK yards exporting designs is not going to keep UK yards...
by Tempest414
16 Sep 2019, 10:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3008
Views: 216434
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

This will depend on where we are going to deploy our new B2's and what they are likely to face. What we now know is HMS Forth will be deployed to the Falklands and HMS Medway to AP-N. when Forth arrives in the Falklands she will be facing a Argentina that is rebuilding its Airforce and Navy so one n...

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