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by Tempest414
29 May 2019, 12:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105747
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

For me we need to keep any new Amphib group simple in terms of building and operating. So we need look at what we are replacing which is 2 x Albion ( but we only operate 1 ) 3 x Bay RFA Argus For me with all the capability these ship offer they are lacking aviation which is proven by the need to fit...
by Tempest414
29 May 2019, 11:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9849
Views: 424394
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Like or not HMG / MOD have put them self in a corner with poor budgets and planning as I say we need to start looking at T-31 as a stopgap that is needed and fund it better by cutting the class to 4 ship. We should then get on with real planning and commit to our yards as said above and if funding i...
by Tempest414
29 May 2019, 10:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9849
Views: 424394
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I maintain that a £250m T31 is a dangerous compromise but a £375m T31 is credible and would be a lot more use to RN in a conflict scenario. However, for basic maritime security tasks even a £250m T31 is OTT, especially if it's forward based. Going forward mundane maritime security tasks are going t...
by Tempest414
29 May 2019, 09:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9849
Views: 424394
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

ArmChairCivvy wrote:An RFA would not only be short of sensors, but Phalanx would be the only weapon..


All RFA tanker and the Bays are fitted for 2 x Phalanx , 2 x 30mm , 4 x GPMG or mini-guns which is good way of saying keep off the grass
by Tempest414
28 May 2019, 18:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9849
Views: 424394
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

donald_of_tokyo wrote:MAD-FIRE 57 mm rounds to counter "multiple incoming ASM". Interesting asset, making 57mm gun a CIWS.



The big thing for me was the 360 C&C room which can do all tasks
by Tempest414
26 May 2019, 14:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105747
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

So Italy launch there New LHD Trieste Yesterday good video on you tube of going into the water
by Tempest414
26 May 2019, 12:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 890
Views: 50141
Location: France

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

it is more than passing
by Tempest414
26 May 2019, 11:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9849
Views: 424394
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Fantasy time but (outside of the CVFs/possible future LHD/small patrol craft) could a future RN surface mix follow something like: - 15 first rate escorts (T45 and T26) - 15 multi role Sloops (lower end T31 upper end OPV) - 6 multi role LSDs (with aviation facilities) - 6 SD Victoria type ships for...
by Tempest414
25 May 2019, 16:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9849
Views: 424394
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

donald_of_tokyo wrote:No objection, but there will be no additional money.


I think there will be extra money and HMT have proven over the last 2 years they will put there hands in there pockets when needed
by Tempest414
25 May 2019, 10:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9849
Views: 424394
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

My view is that Type 31 will end costing 300 to 310 million each once all the dust settles and for that we will end up with a ship that has 3d Radar good CMS good soft kill self defence Hull mounted sonar Merlin capable Hangar and flight deck 1 x refurbished Mk-8 gun 2 x refurbished 30mm 1 x Phalanx...
by Tempest414
25 May 2019, 08:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9849
Views: 424394
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

EXLS is a stand alone system that can be fitted in 3 cell units or be fitted into a Mk-41 launch this system allows Camm to be quad packed and in the case of the Leander design for Type 31 with its poor use of large tubs to hold just 6 missiles it could offer a quick way doubling the load out. howev...
by Tempest414
24 May 2019, 10:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5949
Views: 280624
Location: France

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

My point is that as a unit off the self you could buy three 57mm guns for the price of a Phalanx. Yes at this time you would have to add the cost of training and logistics but if the RN were to make the 57mm or 76mm the main gun on T-31 that cost would be met . So if the RN go with 57mm and then nee...
by Tempest414
24 May 2019, 08:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5949
Views: 280624
Location: France

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Well if we got five of those, especially with the option to fit the multipurpose missile bay, fit a 57mm and two 35mm and I would think the Royal Navy would be very happy. WE might even see a batch two with a more fighty variant later on for a couple more. Now we just need to see more of the compet...
by Tempest414
23 May 2019, 10:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9849
Views: 424394
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

WE have 48 Mushrooms growing on our T-26 then have a couple of extra Mk41s, which could carry 64 Sea Ceptor! For me we should be moving over to fitting EXLS on all our escorts to allow something like this Type 45 with 6 x 3 cell EXLS plus 48 Syliver cells = 72 CAMM & 48 Aster total 120 missiles...
by Tempest414
22 May 2019, 11:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9849
Views: 424394
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The RB2's are lightly armed OPV's so completely different. Keep them in the UK EEZ or sell them. Outside the EEZ the 105m Leanders would be better in every way. With the view that RN want to get to 24 escorts the RB2s could be a first small step. Yes the RB2s are in many ways under armed however as...
by Tempest414
22 May 2019, 10:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9849
Views: 424394
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Well here is a slightly different tack to start you off again. Is it felt that 2 x Type 45s and 2 Type 26s are really adequate for Escorting a QEC Carrier? Of course they could (and probably should) be accompanied by an SSN as well. Other Navies are currently planning significantly larger Air Defen...
by Tempest414
20 May 2019, 17:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9849
Views: 424394
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Could we see in the 2020 SDSR the number of T-26 being reduced to 6 and the money saved being moved to the T-31e programme to build seven or eight 21st century T-23s? If this was to happen and the Type 31 program got a budget of 3 billion then a build of two batches of four with the first batch bui...
by Tempest414
20 May 2019, 12:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2780
Views: 143600
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

It would, but depends on what role you want to focus it on. The crane position would be a good position for a CIWS and has been used by the Thai navy to site additional kit and SSMs (the latter on their second in class). For me right now a good upgrade to the B2 Rivers would be 3 x 30mm with the Po...
by Tempest414
20 May 2019, 10:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 105747
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

So HMS Albion & Kent along with RFA Argus leave today for the NATO Baltic joint EX would be nice to see some pics of them together

Would also be good to know what helicopters Argus is carry if any
by Tempest414
18 May 2019, 12:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2780
Views: 143600
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Would say remove the crane and use the space either side before taking up the space on the flight deck. I think removing the crane would reduce the ships all round use. if we take a B2 River with its crane we can add 2 ISO containers to support USV's like Hero and Camcopter or extra raiding craft f...
by Tempest414
17 May 2019, 13:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9849
Views: 424394
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Interesting table from the report. aslists.jpg The thing that stood out to me in that table was the replacement date for the RB1's. Clearly getting rid of the RB1's when the RB2's commissioned was just another cut but realistically how many OPV's without hangers does the UK actually need? Also inte...
by Tempest414
17 May 2019, 06:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2780
Views: 143600
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

As said before there is a great video on youtube of a B2 river testing Camcopter S100 out of ISO containers just put in Camcopter S-100 test Brasil some good shots of the ship at about 3.30 in
by Tempest414
16 May 2019, 08:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3840
Views: 216026
Location: France

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Still a naval town
by Tempest414
16 May 2019, 08:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9849
Views: 424394
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I'm glad the DIT recognise this, if only the MOD would follow suite. Unfortunately the MOD prefer to believe the world wants cheap patrol frigates built in England because that's more convenient for their budget. Now is this the MOD or HMG that want to believe this to suit there budget. plus they c...
by Tempest414
16 May 2019, 06:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3840
Views: 216026
Location: France

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Bang on but her seat is in the hands of the navy if she fails to improve the RN she could lose her seat

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