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by Tempest414
17 Sep 2019, 10:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 174
Views: 12940
Location: France

Re: 76mm Oto Melara

RichardIC wrote:LMM is a means of getting a small proximity fused warhead out to a distance of around 5 miles. Exactly the same with 40mm.


And instead of having 5 LMM ready to fire on a mount you will have 100 40mm rounds ready to fire on a mount
by Tempest414
16 Sep 2019, 11:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6190
Views: 412829
Location: France

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

For me yes a 3000 to 4000 ton ship could have met the brief but if you can get a bigger ship with more space why would you not go for it we all know the NSS is looking the wrong away at exports when it should be looking at building UK ships in UK yards exporting designs is not going to keep UK yards...
by Tempest414
16 Sep 2019, 10:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3009
Views: 218974
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

This will depend on where we are going to deploy our new B2's and what they are likely to face. What we now know is HMS Forth will be deployed to the Falklands and HMS Medway to AP-N. when Forth arrives in the Falklands she will be facing a Argentina that is rebuilding its Airforce and Navy so one n...
by Tempest414
15 Sep 2019, 15:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10691
Views: 658835
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The T31 is to be the Self Defence Frigate

I would go more with area defence frigate as it will be able to defend it's self and any ships around it out to 17km on the surface and 25km in the air
by Tempest414
15 Sep 2019, 15:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6190
Views: 412829
Location: France

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

The T31 has achieved so much, especially in terms of value for money but sense must now prevail. These vessels really need the Mk45, a decent hull mounted sonar and at least four AShM. At this stage an extra £50 to £60m per hull would make them a fully credible GP Frigate. By all means build a coup...
by Tempest414
15 Sep 2019, 13:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6190
Views: 412829
Location: France

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I have to say I am very happy with the way T-31 is shaping up would have been happier with a 76mm up front but the mix of 57mm and 40mm is something I like (Not that far from the triple 57mm idea I put forward last year) . It opens the door to two real options for up gunning the OPV's if that is wha...
by Tempest414
15 Sep 2019, 09:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 734
Views: 73687
Location: France

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

“The LSG is expected to consist of two Littoral Strike Units, each comprising up to three amphibious ships and able to react at “immediate notice,” he told the seminar. Given this statement what I was saying about a EoS command seems more important to me as it would give the RN / UK the ability sca...
by Tempest414
14 Sep 2019, 18:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 734
Views: 73687
Location: France

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

As I have said in the past for me now I would like to see a EoS command set up to command 4 x type 31 4 x MCM 1 x Bay 1 x Wave 1 x Point If FLSS gets off the ground then one of these ships will join this command the main aims of this command is to have ships in the Gulf and Indo-Pacific all year rou...
by Tempest414
14 Sep 2019, 09:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6190
Views: 412829
Location: France

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Two very good reports interesting that a figure of 8 ships keeps getting pushed
by Tempest414
13 Sep 2019, 18:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3009
Views: 218974
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Caribbean wrote:
Tempest414 wrote:the 2nd Thai navy B2 is in the water and is fitted with 1 x 76mm , 2 x 30mm , 4 x Harpoon missiles

The Harpoons sit where the crane is on the B2s, so you would lose the ability to self-load containers.


Bang on I would keep the crane as will come in for off board systems later on
by Tempest414
13 Sep 2019, 16:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3009
Views: 218974
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

We have seen the Thai B2 design fitted with 76mm and decoys plus a mock up of the second Thai navy B2 with anti-ship missiles so it is doable but why the RN would want to go that far is the question that grabbing me . We have talked in past about what could be done with a B2 and what could fitted an...
by Tempest414
13 Sep 2019, 14:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6190
Views: 412829
Location: France

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I can see blocks being built at CL and if the Scottish government take on the risk then FM. As for CL and H&W the best thing that can happen is they come together to build 3 SSS over 6 years and then move on to the LPD replacement
by Tempest414
13 Sep 2019, 11:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6190
Views: 412829
Location: France

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I agree I always liked

Faithful
Fearless
Foresight
Fortitude
Fire Drake

Edit : And if a second batch was to come

Friendship
Fury
Forester
by Tempest414
13 Sep 2019, 10:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 734
Views: 73687
Location: France

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

My money would still be on two 160 meter Makassar class for around 120 million as said before there are 8 in service and 2 being built cost for the 125 meter ship with flight deck hangar well dock is 45 million dollars I think will could get a lot of ship for our 60 million pounds or 74 million doll...
by Tempest414
12 Sep 2019, 17:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3009
Views: 218974
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

shark bait wrote:The River B2 should have been the BAE avenger, but we cant change that now, so lets just add 24 Mk41 cells and call it a day!


Only 24 I fear you are thinking to small
by Tempest414
12 Sep 2019, 13:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3009
Views: 218974
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Thanks. Could you share the details? I understand, "River B2 cannot sent to Hormuz Strait", as Lord West said. But, it is NOT "up-armed" River B2? Sorry no I don't have the details hopefully some can put them up on here Also, if not for Hormuz strait, for what purpose do the Rea...
by Tempest414
12 Sep 2019, 12:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3009
Views: 218974
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

- With LMM and ATGM or others added, can it be used in Hormuz strait to counter Iranian fast boats, not in singleton but as a minor member following a T23/T45? (Not sure). This was ruled out in commons defence meeting about a week ago . However I have said in the past that if a B2 fitted with 1 x 4...
by Tempest414
12 Sep 2019, 12:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3009
Views: 218974
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

I have to say this is a turn up . As I said on the other thread the up arming of the B2's outside of fitting LMM was a bit of dead end as the RN was not going to add another gun type just for five OPV's however if Type 31 comes in with 40mm or 57mm this could open the door for an upgrade on the B2's...
by Tempest414
11 Sep 2019, 14:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 734
Views: 73687
Location: France

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Also from Naval news the Victa 02 Subsea craft for SF diver insertion capable of 40 knots and 250 Nm on the surface and 8 knots underwater could be a useful bit of kit able to be carried by Chinook fits in a ISO container looks good
by Tempest414
11 Sep 2019, 14:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RN anti-ship missiles
Replies: 217
Views: 25164
Location: France

Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Nice peace from Naval news on day 1 show casing I-SSGW contenders
by Tempest414
11 Sep 2019, 08:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10691
Views: 658835
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Cancelling T31 and using the money to build an extra one or two T26 is fantasy - it is never going to happen. in fact type 31 could be the key to number of upgrades in armaments. Lets say type 31 comes in with 76mm and 40mm this could then open the door to viable options for both type 45 and River ...
by Tempest414
10 Sep 2019, 10:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)
Replies: 726
Views: 77972
Location: France

Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Not as good as the image at the top of page 28 with A136's bow under water
by Tempest414
10 Sep 2019, 10:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)
Replies: 342
Views: 41042
Location: France

Re: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)

Regardless of weather there is a CVN present or not the US still operate combat Air Support and Troop Transport aircraft from the same carrier. It is a proven method and the Brits with their much larger carrier will have an even greater ability to do so. It should be quite clear by now the QE class...
by Tempest414
09 Sep 2019, 13:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)
Replies: 342
Views: 41042
Location: France

Re: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)

Flexibility is word that springs to mind for the HC4's to be fully used the carrier would need to be danger close yes they can lilly pad from the carrier and we do not always need a carrier
by Tempest414
09 Sep 2019, 12:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10691
Views: 658835
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Hard to see how the Future Commando Force and Commando Heicopter Force is going to gel with the Albions and Bays without some kind of an FLSS as a facilitator. As said on the Bay thread add a full width deck garage on the Bays capable of holding 3 Merlin's or what ever keep space for two Merlin spo...

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