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by Poiuytrewq
27 Sep 2019, 08:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 768
Views: 139687
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

To this end I cannot see the need for our planned LSD to comprise of more than; 1 x FLSS 1 x T-31 1 x Wave The important thing is that the force structure is scalable and therfore highly cost effective. It could range from a FLSS on a singleton deployment, through to a full LSG, perhaps two combine...
by Poiuytrewq
27 Sep 2019, 08:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 768
Views: 139687
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

It does however, give us flexibility, from an FLSS (effectively a small crossover LPH/Expeditionary Sea Base) A low cost opener to test the developing doctrine of Littoral Strike perhaps? With something more meaningful to follow in the 2030's (when the Amphibs are replaced) if the FLSS concept prov...
by Poiuytrewq
26 Sep 2019, 19:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future ASW
Replies: 369
Views: 60577
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future ASW

SW1 wrote:The only benefit I see is Leander had a crane.
The Iver Huitfeldt's have a crane, as does some of the A140 models.

The only problem is the IH crane is designed and situated to reload the amidships StanFlex module not service the under flight deck misson area.
by Poiuytrewq
26 Sep 2019, 19:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3319
Views: 375178
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

UAV's can't carry snipers and Rivers can't operate helicopters for any time however the UAVs will make a big difference to how the rivers watch activities Thats why they should have hangers :D I agree something like the Camcopter would make a big difference but can't see any need for LMM on APT-N. ...
by Poiuytrewq
26 Sep 2019, 18:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3319
Views: 375178
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

For me the best place to start with the B2's is to get on with UAV operations by leasing a few Camcopter's capable of carrying and operating 2 x LMM for Medway's AP-N deployment this will really give the ship a fighting chance against smugglers and so on How likley is it that RN would use LMM from ...
by Poiuytrewq
26 Sep 2019, 18:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future ASW
Replies: 369
Views: 60577
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future ASW

So do they choose one capability, but loose another? If a bit more use was made of the under flight deck space then maybe it would be possible to do both. STRN suggests that a stern ramp/misson area is a viable option but I suspect it will be be cost prohibitive, at least for the initial batch. &qu...
by Poiuytrewq
26 Sep 2019, 12:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 768
Views: 139687
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Interesting to see what the USMC are developing with their Littoral Combat Group. https://news.usni.org/2019/09/23/navy-marines-practice-littoral-combat-force-construct-in-alaska Clearly this is on a different scale entirely from what the UK could achieve but it will be interesting to see if the pro...
by Poiuytrewq
26 Sep 2019, 10:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future ASW
Replies: 369
Views: 60577
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future ASW

Arrowhead 140 as a T31 is adopting very large hull, which is incompatible with its cost. Agreed. RN is spending almost the entire budget on the very best hull that can be acquired for that price. The problem is I don't believe it will be optimised for RN use. Costly re-fits down the line are the in...
by Poiuytrewq
26 Sep 2019, 08:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future ASW
Replies: 369
Views: 60577
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future ASW

As have been said, T26’s mission bay can hold boats up to 12m long, and can carry 11m long ARCIMS USV, while T31 Arrowhead 140’s all boat bays cannot carry it. In this regard the Leander concept was better as it could embark three such craft. It is interesting that although the A140 is regularly de...
by Poiuytrewq
25 Sep 2019, 13:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3319
Views: 375178
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Another first :thumbup:

by Poiuytrewq
25 Sep 2019, 10:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future ASW
Replies: 369
Views: 60577
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future ASW

In general if you have to keep manned ribs ready for quick deployment man overboard etc does type 26 have any other means of deploying it other than from the mission bay? If not will this reduce flexibility. The T26 has a separate boat bay on the port side of the hanger with a davit mounted RHIB. A...
by Poiuytrewq
25 Sep 2019, 08:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future ASW
Replies: 369
Views: 60577
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future ASW

shark bait wrote:Also note the mission bay under the flight deck, that is similarly sized to the T26 mission bay
Without a deck crane how do you deploy anything from this space?
by Poiuytrewq
23 Sep 2019, 19:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future ASW
Replies: 369
Views: 60577
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future ASW

Jake1992 wrote:...why not have one larger bat there that can launch and recover 1 large system or 2 small ?
Simply cost.

There is zero money to change anything if Babcock want to hit the £250m target. Up the budget and lots of things become possible.
by Poiuytrewq
23 Sep 2019, 10:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1086995
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

....it depends what we want our forward presence to actually do. True, and what HMG will want the forward presence to achieve will change and evolve over time. It will also, to a large degree, be dictated by events. In a nutshell the UK's forward presence needs to be designed and structured in an e...
by Poiuytrewq
23 Sep 2019, 10:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1086995
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

By the time numbers were cut so badly the program and design was so far along that it was too late to change. Its not too late to solve a lot of the problems with the A140. If the UPC for the T26 had of ended up in the £400m to £500m range, RN might have got the 18 hulls that are needed. All water ...
by Poiuytrewq
22 Sep 2019, 12:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1086995
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I don’t think the risk is with the RN at all. The risk is that RN won't actually end up with 8 Type 26's. Clearly the decision has been taken that due the political toxicity of curtailing the T26 build, on the balance of probability, the T26 programme will trundle along as planned. I think they kno...
by Poiuytrewq
22 Sep 2019, 10:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1086995
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Why not just build more helicopters? I’m not arguing against this, but what gives when you move funding in this direction? The future will be more about having adaptable platforms with off board systems doing a lot of the heavy lifting, but the overall capabilities still need to be balanced. I prob...
by Poiuytrewq
22 Sep 2019, 09:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1086995
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Operative word: currently Yep, who's going to be right, the optimist or the pessimist? Time will tell. I don't know what the maximum growth margin on A140 is but it could be in the region of 60 cells. Even if the existing 32 Mk41 cells in the IH Stanflex design were quad-packed with CAMM that's 128...
by Poiuytrewq
22 Sep 2019, 09:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1086995
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Nothing new here but an update nonetheless.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-8665.pdf
by Poiuytrewq
21 Sep 2019, 20:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1086995
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

....if we started in 2021 to build 3 more OPV's and added 3 more T-31's to the order then by 2031 we could have a fleet of 6 AAW destroyers 8 ASW Frigates 8 GP Frigates 8 OPV's Agree 100%. This now looks like the best that can be realistically hoped for. The important thing now is for RN to find a ...
by Poiuytrewq
21 Sep 2019, 13:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1086995
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

we would be in a great place with 16 C1's , 8 C2's and 8 C3's The problem is that it will be 2040 before such a force structure is possible with current planning. Lots of SDSR's between now and then. A Venari 95 or modern black swan would be better in my opinion. Too slow, they need to achieve at l...
by Poiuytrewq
21 Sep 2019, 12:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 193
Views: 42698
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion

If you changed the name of your type 31 gp to type 31 asw that would be what you’ve spec’d add fixed propellers and codlad which the builder say is possible for effect. The name is unimportant but IMO the spec of a 21st century GP Frigate needs to include a TAS/VDS or a credible off board system th...
by Poiuytrewq
21 Sep 2019, 10:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 193
Views: 42698
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion

Adapted from the excellent UKLandPower article posted above. This might be currently unaffordable but maybe it's just a question of reorganising priorities. Type 45 AAW Destroyer 57mm with magazine in A mount replacing 4.5 inch gun Port and starboard Phalanx Port and starboard DS30 remote mounts wit...
by Poiuytrewq
21 Sep 2019, 08:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3319
Views: 375178
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Tempest414 wrote: 2 more type 31's would be a better option
The problem is they won't commission for the best part of a decade.

If RN really want more vessels in a hurry they will need to be Rivers or Leanders built at Cammell Laird.

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