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by Poiuytrewq
20 May 2019, 19:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9601
Views: 361627
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Even Brexit and a potential extension to the EEZ (unikely in any event) doesn't justify the B2 purchase and we often overlook the role played by the five Vigilant class cutters where tasks often overlap. Effectively we already have 14 capable OPV's and the last thing we need are more. I am among th...
by Poiuytrewq
20 May 2019, 16:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3781
Views: 188038
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

It would be interesting to know exactly what has been ordered.

Might give an idea as to the size of the 'second batch' of T26's.
by Poiuytrewq
20 May 2019, 12:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3781
Views: 188038
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

This might not seem important but securing the future of this facility in the UK is massively significant.

Well done to all involved :clap:

by Poiuytrewq
20 May 2019, 09:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 890
Views: 43808
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

by Poiuytrewq
16 May 2019, 16:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2718
Views: 123428
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

by Poiuytrewq
16 May 2019, 16:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9601
Views: 361627
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Interesting table from the report. aslists.jpg The thing that stood out to me in that table was the replacement date for the RB1's. Clearly getting rid of the RB1's when the RB2's commissioned was just another cut but realistically how many OPV's without hangers does the UK actually need? Also inte...
by Poiuytrewq
16 May 2019, 13:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3781
Views: 188038
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

More pressure to increase the T26 order.
by Poiuytrewq
16 May 2019, 13:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9601
Views: 361627
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Good news :thumbup:
by Poiuytrewq
16 May 2019, 09:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9601
Views: 361627
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

All-Party Parliamentary Group for Shipbuilding publish report on the industry https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/all-party-parliamentary-group-for-shipbuilding-publish-report-on-the-industry/ https://www.dropbox.com/s/ooeodunl5046of9/All-Party%20Parliamentary%20Group%20Shipbuilding%20and%20Ship%20Repa...
by Poiuytrewq
15 May 2019, 16:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9601
Views: 361627
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Another is that new acquisitions will in future be limited to whatever can be genuinely afforded within the planned budget envelope and then resourced in service (crewed etc). Nothing wrong with that. It would actually be quite a refreshing change. Could this be were the honesty is going to start t...
by Poiuytrewq
15 May 2019, 16:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9601
Views: 361627
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Another nail in the coffin of hopes to export the T31e? Perhaps the RN should buy some of these: https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/imdex-asia-2019/2019/05/imdex-2019-st-engineering-unveils-vanguard-130-multi-role-combatant/ That was the type of versatility I was hoping we could build into the T3...
by Poiuytrewq
15 May 2019, 14:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9601
Views: 361627
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The transcript of the new Defence Secretary's speech at RUSI today. https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/defence-secretary-keynote-speech-at-the-sea-power-conference-2019 "I just want us to briefly recap the headlines from the last three defence reviews. In 1997, the review pledged to deliver...
by Poiuytrewq
13 May 2019, 16:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9601
Views: 361627
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The T31 will be able to handle anything that a T23 GP can handle. This is far from assured yet. If the T31 matches the spec of a T23GP then it could be just as effective depending on the design chosen but if we end up with a 117m Leander fitted with only 12CAMM, a Mk8 and 2x30mm's it will fall a lo...
by Poiuytrewq
13 May 2019, 16:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9601
Views: 361627
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Poiuytrewq wrote: Sir John Parkers idea with the NSS was to sell the T31's at around the 15 year mark, before their first major refit but I don't believe this makes financial sense. Just look at how much is being transferred from the T23's to the T31's, very little. The sophisticated technology wou...
by Poiuytrewq
12 May 2019, 18:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)
Replies: 587
Views: 42897
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)

An interesting read and relevant to recent discussions.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... ion-system
by Poiuytrewq
12 May 2019, 10:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9601
Views: 361627
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The T26 is already proving a world beating design with significant orders, and an outside chance of being more successful with the USN Given that the F100 and FREMM derived designs are now a similar size to the T26, I will be amazed if it's not seriously looked at before the FFG(X) reaches a conclu...
by Poiuytrewq
10 May 2019, 09:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3781
Views: 188038
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

They don't look like Mk41's. What else could they be?

It must be a fairly recent addition as this is the model Lockheed Martin were displaying only a few months ago.
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by Poiuytrewq
08 May 2019, 10:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9601
Views: 361627
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Ron5 wrote:this "factory" is just a large shed where the ships can be fully built out of the (Scottish) rain.
The production facility at Scotstoun was to be a lot more than a simple build hall, are you taking in regard to the cheaper Govan proposal?
by Poiuytrewq
08 May 2019, 09:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9601
Views: 361627
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

But what’s the real gain of doing this? Could it be that HMG has now concluded that dropping to 14 credible escorts isn't acceptable regardless of how many patrol vessels are constructed to fill the gaps? The problem with the T31 programme is that the more you increase the budget the less sense it ...
by Poiuytrewq
08 May 2019, 08:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5893
Views: 243175
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

This had/has all the hallmarks of anyone but BAE Maybe but it's also a vindication of what BAE has been telling HMG for years, namely that a £250m Frigate is an impossibility if built in the UK. A simple analysis of global frigate prices would have proved the same thing but obviously we had to foll...
by Poiuytrewq
06 May 2019, 10:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9601
Views: 361627
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

what would swapping Clyde for a B2 again you.... Exactly, strategically they're the same asset. Swapping Clyde for a 105m Leander with a Mk8, 12 CAMM, 2x30mm and a Wildcat would be a good upgrade especially if Kingklip and Captas2 was also fitted. Personally I wouldn't bother upgunning the RB2's. S...
by Poiuytrewq
06 May 2019, 10:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 35614
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

This leads to only one conclusion if the fulcrum of global geopolitics moves away from europe to asia - we must go with it. Bingo. This is clearly the direction of travel but is the Treasury convinced enough to fund this expansion east? Certainly under this administration the answer is a definite N...
by Poiuytrewq
03 May 2019, 11:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 35614
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Moved across. It's a compromise. What is more valuable; five patrol vessels and three support ships five frigates and two support ships? Clearly the 5 frigates and 2 FSS is preferable but perhaps another possibility should at least be considered before being discarded. If we can agree that the objec...
by Poiuytrewq
02 May 2019, 07:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 9946
Views: 603840
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

PhillyJ wrote:....the RAF may be feeling a bit wobbly...
Has the chances of getting 90+ F35B's just increased?

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