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by Poiuytrewq
13 Aug 2019, 14:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3904
Views: 240828
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Not convinced of the factual accuracy of this piece but the insinuation that New Zealand is lining up for an order of 3 Type 26's is very interesting.....if true. If only the T26's really could be 'dumbed down' to a £250m general purpose frigate. Little truth in that statement I suspect. https://www...
by Poiuytrewq
10 Aug 2019, 10:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 916
Views: 56023
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Suggestion that a possible update on the FSS may be made at the DSEI early September (depending on politics) - given an election is brewing I think it’s quite possible... https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2019/08/06/a-hazy-future-amid-a-competition-to-build-british-frigates-a-uk-shipyard-hits-hard-...
by Poiuytrewq
09 Aug 2019, 20:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Priorities have to match resources, I would start with doing less with less. I think I would much prefer doing more with more. Either more money turns up or the wheels come off of the bus and that would be politically unsustainable at present. Recent highlighting of the embarrassingly small size of...
by Poiuytrewq
09 Aug 2019, 16:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

With the spending review just around the corner we will soon find out who is right.
by Poiuytrewq
09 Aug 2019, 09:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

....the Russian Vasily Bykov Corvette should remind us me whilst the RN (and others) have been focused on globe trotting lower end type ships (like the T31).... How is an Arrowhead 140 'lower end' compared to a Project 22160 class? I agree the comparison between the RB2 and Vasily Bykov is interest...
by Poiuytrewq
07 Aug 2019, 17:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5974
Views: 312175
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

The problem is that Northern Ireland could well leave the Union as well. True but the best way to maintain the Union is through sharing the benefits. A distributed build across the home nations may not be the most efficient way to build the T31's/FSS/FLSS, but it will be money well spent if it help...
by Poiuytrewq
07 Aug 2019, 14:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5974
Views: 312175
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Personally I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that H&W is now closed permanently. Compared to Appledore the infrastructure is very impressive. With the T31, FSS and FLSS programmes still active, yards like H&W should have a bright future - if only HMG would back British industry and stop hidi...
by Poiuytrewq
05 Aug 2019, 17:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Interesting letter in the Sunday Telegraph yesterday signed by seven former First Sea Lords. " SIR – As professional mariners, and former First Sea Lords, we deplore Iranian actions in arresting the British-flagged tanker Stena Impero and her crew. The ship was exercising its legal right of inn...
by Poiuytrewq
03 Aug 2019, 22:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)
Replies: 317
Views: 31006
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)

A great shot of Mounts Bay alongside at Curacao in the Southern Caribbean
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by Poiuytrewq
03 Aug 2019, 13:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Surely that's one of the reasons behind the NSS's "distributed shipyard" idea. It's a relatively cheap way of preserving capacity "just in case", and would allow the UK to continue building ships even during disruption caused by a split with Scotland That's the plan but how many...
by Poiuytrewq
03 Aug 2019, 01:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2846
Views: 162308
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Lord Jim wrote:I cannot see any negatives here, can anyone?
Yes, they should have been 12m-15m longer and incorporated a Wildcat hanger....
by Poiuytrewq
02 Aug 2019, 09:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)
Replies: 591
Views: 53795
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)

by Poiuytrewq
31 Jul 2019, 13:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Say something that’s along these lines based on the T26 design - 125-130m length 18m beam 5000t odd Same brigade and forward weapons lay out as T26 Merlin flight deck Merlin hanger with space for 2 Rhibs or unmanned systems 57mm for RN use but up to 5” for export 2 x 30mm 6 ExSL for RN but up to 24...
by Poiuytrewq
31 Jul 2019, 10:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

This is where I keep bringing it up but a family of vessels based on the T26 design is the way to go, a light frigate of 5,000t odd based on the design of the T26 ( not just a stripped down T26 ) would be a world beater in it category. The reason something like what you propose isn't happening is p...
by Poiuytrewq
31 Jul 2019, 09:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I have to say this why l like A 140 for me I feel it is a good fit for the RN . It depends. If RN are really going to get to maximise the platform over time then yes I would agree it is a pretty good fit. On the other hand, if the T31 is just going to be a Patrol frigate with Artisan, 24 CAMM, MK8,...
by Poiuytrewq
30 Jul 2019, 09:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Do not agree. Naval is a world leader in export escort building, and FTI is designed well AFTER Iver Huitfeldt-class frigate was born. Naval knows it well. Heavily armed A140 could be "comparable to", but will never be "superior to" the FTI. Sorry Donald, can't agree with that. ...
by Poiuytrewq
29 Jul 2019, 12:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Thanks Donald. Your modified T31 is cheaper than FTI for what reason? I wasn't proposing modifying anything. If we take a basic Leander or A140 at around £200m before the armament, radar, decoys and CMS etc is added then that leaves £300m to fit a pretty high spec. It could make for a seriously effe...
by Poiuytrewq
29 Jul 2019, 10:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

If so what we’d end up with is pretty much a T26 with 24 CAMM and 16 Mk41s odd and maybe only a merlins flight deck.! .... at 60-65% of the cost (and maybe 85-90% of the capability - wouldn't be as good at passive ASW as the T26, but still quite capable). Personally I think the French FTI is the be...
by Poiuytrewq
28 Jul 2019, 16:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I am not a fan of up-arming OPV's to make up for gaps in the escort fleet but a single 30mm was never going to be sufficient for global deployment. Personally I don't consider adding a 57/76mm, 2x 30mm's and Phalanx FFBNW as up-arming as this is what they should of had in the first place. In my opin...
by Poiuytrewq
28 Jul 2019, 08:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Some big statements here, can you explain how the current situation backs this up? Very simple. The current situation in the Gulf requires vessels that are built to fight and win but not Tier1 assets like T26/T45. Basically something along the lines of a T31. In my opinion these mini-crisis that in...
by Poiuytrewq
27 Jul 2019, 10:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Interesting overview here with some illuminating quotes. Worth a read. https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2019/07/25/in-a-naval-confrontation-with-iran-great-britain-can-find-neither-ships-nor-friends/ Luckily our new PM is very keen on building more ships for the Royal Navy. Here is how the Sun repo...
by Poiuytrewq
25 Jul 2019, 13:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Our new PM in the Commons has just stated in reply to an excellent question from Dr Julian Lewis MP (Chair Defence Select Committee) that he has a "strong desire" to raise defence spending and in particular increase UK shipbuilding. Make of that what you will but it's got to be positive ne...
by Poiuytrewq
25 Jul 2019, 08:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10153
Views: 488789
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

So Babcock's don't know how to price or build a ship, but us interweb experts do? A 6000 tonne civilian hull costs around £15m. How much more expensive is the same hull built to military standards? Four times as much? The strength of the A140 is that your integration costs are vastly reduced as you...

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