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by Poiuytrewq
24 Apr 2018, 16:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10506
Views: 551896
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

shark bait wrote:HMG because it makes the annual spend lower.

But increases the overall cost presumably?
by Poiuytrewq
24 Apr 2018, 16:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10506
Views: 551896
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

NickC wrote:The length of 7 years in build will be costing tens of £M's in shipyard overheads so contributing Type 26 ~£1B cost.

So who is slowing them down?

Is it BAE or HMG?
by Poiuytrewq
24 Apr 2018, 14:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3909
Views: 264837
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

I fear that HMG are holding type 26 back to see what happens with type 31 and I am starting to fear that they will up the budget for T-31 and if it comes out half decent they swap them around and go for 5 T-26 and 8 T-31 If the T31 was a modern T23 Frigate it wouldn't be the end of the world. The T...
by Poiuytrewq
24 Apr 2018, 13:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3909
Views: 264837
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

@GutoAberconwy confirms the 1st Type 26, HMS Glasgow is due to be accepted from builders summer 2025. She will not be fully operational until 2027. Kill british shipbuilding with fire, this is simply absurd. When I heard him say it in the Commons yesterday I couldn't belive it either. I think up un...
by Poiuytrewq
24 Apr 2018, 07:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10289
Views: 804249
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

...as we know the Albion's OSD is 2030 so as you say 10 year from now 2028 we will need 1 or 2 LPD,s in build to replace them or lose that capability. As for the carriers not being troop ship this was made very clear in a defence select committee meeting live on TV last year The out of service date...
by Poiuytrewq
23 Apr 2018, 14:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6150
Views: 350547
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

They already have Venator and Arrowhead. If they come up with Absalon and Iver Huitfeldt derivatives as well, they can go for all four :crazy: To be fair, given the choice between Leander, Venator, Arrowhead, Absalon and Iver Huitfeldt, Leander might not make it through to the last 4 :lol: Trying t...
by Poiuytrewq
23 Apr 2018, 11:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10289
Views: 804249
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

However can we really say there is a lack of spots? The RN have 2 very big carriers and not many jets... Its just in relation to getting as many troops ashore as fast as possible, especially if amphibious tactics are changing to over the horizon and flight times and distances covered are going to b...
by Poiuytrewq
23 Apr 2018, 09:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10289
Views: 804249
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

R686 wrote:Wonder when they will show it here in OZ will be interesting to watch

It's on the BBC iplayer if you can access that in OZ over your internet connection.
by Poiuytrewq
23 Apr 2018, 08:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10289
Views: 804249
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

In a decade that will change, and the RN will need that Ocean replacement so QE can focus on being the lean mean fast jet base she was built to be. I can't see any additional LPH's or LPD's being built before the Albions are replaced. Maybe the Albions could be retired quicker with 2 LHD's built to...
by Poiuytrewq
23 Apr 2018, 08:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10289
Views: 804249
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Now your talking of increasing the budget for more ships, if you have the budget for aviation enhanced supply ships, you have the budget for Ocean's replacement, leaving the carriers for what they were built for, but we still need more escorts for the standing commitments and task groups. Im not pr...
by Poiuytrewq
23 Apr 2018, 00:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10289
Views: 804249
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Part of the justification for completing HMS POW was to maximise its amphibious support capabilities and in my view the priority must be to retain both QE carriers rather than push for a direct Ocean replacement. Nope it's an afterthought, otherwise both carrier would have been built the same from ...
by Poiuytrewq
22 Apr 2018, 19:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10506
Views: 551896
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Ron5 wrote:Unfortunately, both the Babcocks Arrowhead and BMT Venator designs are clean sheet.

No commonality whatsoever between Arrowhead and the Heritage Class Cutter?

It does say designed with Heritage on Babcocks website.
by Poiuytrewq
22 Apr 2018, 15:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6150
Views: 350547
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Quite a bit more i suspect.....the $225M number quoted , was and is pure fantasy.....their actual cost even in 2007 was much higher...400-450 million US dollars , though that does include most of their weaponry. Built in the UK, with a basic fitout, my guess is north of 500 million in todays dollar...
by Poiuytrewq
22 Apr 2018, 10:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10289
Views: 804249
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

@Poiuytrewq The post from yesterday was not about the RN and greater UKDF, it was about the UKG having to make a strategic decision on what capabiltes they want from the defence force and fund it appropriately, at the moment they want their cake but don't want all the ingredients to make the cake b...
by Poiuytrewq
22 Apr 2018, 08:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10506
Views: 551896
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

as far as type 31 goes the program budget needs to be 2 billion the extra 750 million is not here or there for HMG but it would be a big step up for the type 31 program. With this budget and some changes to the brief for a 130 m ship built to a higher standard diong away with the mission bay and go...
by Poiuytrewq
22 Apr 2018, 07:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10506
Views: 551896
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

benny14 wrote:Slim chance the Type 31 will even get past £300m
Even an extra 50m spent on the quality of the hull would be an improvement :thumbup:
by Poiuytrewq
21 Apr 2018, 22:06
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)
Replies: 935
Views: 76007
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

So if both aircraft were pretty similar we should be purchasing around 20 as originally intended with the Nimrod programme or would 12 to 15 be ample for the UK's needs?
by Poiuytrewq
21 Apr 2018, 22:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10506
Views: 551896
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Zero Gravitas wrote:5 T31 will inevitably end up costing more than 5 T26 would have, and they will be less capable too (probably).
I do hope you are right as if each T31 ends up costing more than £1bn we might end up with something half decent :thumbup:
by Poiuytrewq
21 Apr 2018, 21:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 962
Views: 64457
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Caribbean wrote:I think it's up for sale at US$150m, so approx. £105m at current exchange rates
Bargain, a lot of capability for the money.
by Poiuytrewq
21 Apr 2018, 18:06
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)
Replies: 935
Views: 76007
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Only nine of these doesn't seem like enough, how many should the UK be purchasing if the money was available? Go look at the original Nimrod MRA4 requirement. Thanks Ron, I had already done that and the Nimrod MRA4 was originally supposed to number over 20. Are the two aircraft comparable? Does an ...
by Poiuytrewq
21 Apr 2018, 16:38
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)
Replies: 935
Views: 76007
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Only nine of these doesn't seem like enough, how many should the UK be purchasing if the money was available?
by Poiuytrewq
21 Apr 2018, 15:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10289
Views: 804249
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

I do like the endurance design though, maybe to replace the Albion class in the 2030's..... :thumbup: Don't want anything too big just incase the politicians try to call them aircraft carriers in same class as QE as an excuse to sell them of in a few years. I agree, proposing to build anything that...
by Poiuytrewq
21 Apr 2018, 15:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10506
Views: 551896
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

However, there is one new trick can be used and that is forward basing. So, the hope for the five T31 is to have one forward based in the Gulf. Maybe have another forward based in the Falklands for APT(S). FRE and all other 'standing tasks' to be covered by the remaining T31s. Clearly many of these...
by Poiuytrewq
21 Apr 2018, 14:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 962
Views: 64457
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Caribbean wrote:
Timmymagic wrote:There you go. An absolute monster of a ship. And for sale as well. Could be useful as an Ice Patrol/Arctic vessel as well.

Yes - something like that - might even be too big! Not sure its got sufficient accommodation as-is, but presumably that could be fixed
How much would this vessel cost?
by Poiuytrewq
21 Apr 2018, 14:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10506
Views: 551896
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

To put it bluntly the T31e in its current form is not needed and is utter political bollocks. Maybe not how I would have wrote it but I think it's clear how you feel about the T31 :D I am a fan of the T31 programme but not in its current form, hopefully it evolves into a credible escort. - Antarcti...

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