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by Poiuytrewq
12 Sep 2019, 13:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3309
Views: 371767
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

It is not up-arming River B2, it is rebuilding it? Thanks Donald, that made me laugh. My point is that if the RB2's had of been around 105m LOA, with a wildcat hanger things would have been very different. RN would now be in the process of building at least 13 Frigates plus the 6 Destroyers along w...
by Poiuytrewq
12 Sep 2019, 13:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3309
Views: 371767
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

The best way to up-arm a RB2 would have been to build it with a hanger in the first place....
by Poiuytrewq
12 Sep 2019, 13:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076340
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

So, this is the right thing to discuss now, I guess? Personally I would keep them simple and try and get as many in the water as possible. BUT they need to be credible Frigates so a hull mounted sonar is a must as is some form of ASuW option. Something along these lines, Mk8 24 CAMM 2x 30mm (with L...
by Poiuytrewq
12 Sep 2019, 12:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 768
Views: 138626
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

250 troops. Its 350. Very similar to a Bay or the Prevail MRV. two of these for one (the option) of the "carrier-sized" FSS? Money talks? I would be amazed if it isn't being considered. The argument for building three FSS is clear but if Fort Victoria is retained could a staggered build o...
by Poiuytrewq
12 Sep 2019, 09:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 768
Views: 138626
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Interesting new design concept from BMT. Could this provide another possible FLSS option to rival Prevail's MRV? https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/dsei-2019/2019/09/dsei-2019-bmt-unveils-ellida-amphibious-tanker-multi-role-auxiliary-vessel/ The specifications aren't clear at this stage but the fo...
by Poiuytrewq
11 Sep 2019, 09:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1159
Views: 159554
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1171533979994009600?s=20 This doesn't entirely appear to correspond with the graphic released by Navantia yesterday. Only looks to be space for twin Merlin hangers but the flight deck is massive, at 32m+ in the beam, two Merlin capable landing spots side by sid...
by Poiuytrewq
09 Sep 2019, 14:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1159
Views: 159554
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

We shall find out a bit more tomorrow morning at 10am.

https://www.navantia.es/en/dsei-2019/
by Poiuytrewq
09 Sep 2019, 13:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1159
Views: 159554
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

RichardIC wrote:What makes you think it's the front-runner?
Lots of chat that Navantia was being lined up as preferred bidder but things may have moved on with this new Bojo lead administration.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/reports ... ar-claims/
by Poiuytrewq
09 Sep 2019, 11:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)
Replies: 346
Views: 71736
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)

I can't help thinking that if the temp hangar was the flight deck side of the funnels it could make better use of the cranes and working deck Exactly, add a 3 Merlin deck garage that could be used for storing anything if helos not required and the working deck would be completely cleared. Should be...
by Poiuytrewq
09 Sep 2019, 11:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1159
Views: 159554
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Thats the size of a Cantabria/Supply Class ship that the design is based on. I've included it for an idea on scale. The Navantia design is supposed to be the front runner so it must be substantially larger than a 20k tonne class vessel. It will be interesting to see what BMT have done with the Cant...
by Poiuytrewq
09 Sep 2019, 11:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1159
Views: 159554
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

shark bait wrote:....there has been two graphics demonstrating different super structure configurations, either with the bridge forward like the Fort Class, or the bridge aft like the USNS T-AKE class.
Bridge forward please :thumbup:
by Poiuytrewq
09 Sep 2019, 11:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076340
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Crystal clear. https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1170988852846256130?s=20 The North Atlantic must always be the UK's top priority but I think it's very interesting that the Future Commando Force is above forward presence. Hard to see how the Future Commando Force and Commando Heicopter Force is...
by Poiuytrewq
08 Sep 2019, 12:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 768
Views: 138626
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Lots of new info here,
https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/a-clos ... p-concept/

The flight deck in particular appears to have a complete reconfiguration.
by Poiuytrewq
08 Sep 2019, 10:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076340
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

but now that we have more money, would you still choose to spend it this way? Ideally no, but we are where we are. I would much rather see a RN frigate design that was wholly British designed and built. Something that could take on the FTI in the export market and give British industry an edge agai...
by Poiuytrewq
08 Sep 2019, 08:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076340
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I have no objection here. A140 design is very capable. My point is, T31 is NOT capable At the outset maybe, but with the recent budget increase for the MOD could an increased spec now be a possibility for the T31? In the end it will come down to whether RN wants more capable vessels or just more ve...
by Poiuytrewq
01 Sep 2019, 20:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RN anti-ship missiles
Replies: 230
Views: 57045
Location: United Kingdom

Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Lord Jim wrote:. If everything works and they can get the weapon system to do everything as advertised for a reasonable price it will be great, but I have concerns as to whether it will.
Will it even make it past Brexit?
by Poiuytrewq
31 Aug 2019, 19:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076340
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Does anyone know if RN's SSN launched TLAM's (that are being updated to provide an enhanced 'Maritime Strike' capability) are Mk41 compatible? If so, why the need for an Interim-Surface Ship Guided Weapon (I-SSGW) on the T26's? Could the 5 sets from the ASW T23's actually be destined for the five T3...
by Poiuytrewq
29 Aug 2019, 21:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076340
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Small batches don’t work no one will invest in capital infrastructure expenditure to become more efficient if they don’t have a contract long enough to just payback. Small batches lead to make do and mend. There still building Arleigh Burke’s you can still do production cut in for modifications but...
by Poiuytrewq
29 Aug 2019, 19:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076340
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Caribbean wrote:...now the customer has to get it's spec right first time.
Another reason why ordering in modest batches of 2 or 3 hulls at a time is now preferred?
by Poiuytrewq
29 Aug 2019, 14:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076340
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

....there is a reason why the M & H come before the P. Exactly, which is why the design of these MHC vessels, whatever iteration they finally take, will be dictated primarily by the systems they will deploy. In my opinion it is becoming increasingly likely that Venari at 16m may not be wide eno...
by Poiuytrewq
26 Aug 2019, 17:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076340
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

2 ) East of Suez Command made up of 4 x T-31 , 4 x MCM , 1 x Bay , 2 x Wave , 1 x Point No ASW capability EoS? best I would hope for is a good HMS or CAPTAS-4 Compact fitted to the T-31's There is no indication thus far that any form of hull mounted sonar is going to to be fitted....at least in the...
by Poiuytrewq
26 Aug 2019, 10:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076340
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Tempest414 wrote:2 ) East of Suez Command made up of

4 x T-31 , 4 x MCM , 1 x Bay , 2 x Wave , 1 x Point
No ASW capability EoS?
by Poiuytrewq
25 Aug 2019, 12:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1159
Views: 159554
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Have you any credible source to back that up? Nope. But apart from a single speech and a few Tweets by people no longer in-post what's the evidence for it being a requirement? Two separate things. With the complete lack of embarked aviation on the LPD's and Ocean now decommissioned the requirement ...
by Poiuytrewq
25 Aug 2019, 12:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6466
Views: 635888
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Jeez, the has flushed the English nationalists out. You may see that way, but seeing both BAE Portsmouth and Appledore close, with the loss of high skilled job, then political moves to prop up Scottish and NI shipbuilding then why not England? Way off post now but it could be seen that HMG have pro...
by Poiuytrewq
25 Aug 2019, 11:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1159
Views: 159554
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

RichardIC wrote:
Repulse wrote:then in my view the FLSS requirement would go away


The FLSS requirement went away when Gavin Williamson got sacked.
Have you any credible source to back that up?

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