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by shark bait
16 May 2019, 09:02
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing E-7 Wedgetail (RAF)
Replies: 117
Views: 9587
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Boeing E-7 Wedgetail (RAF)

So instead of upgrading the current AEW aircraft lets buy a new AEW aircraft that will immediately require and upgrade. Boeing must be very happy.
by shark bait
16 May 2019, 08:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9757
Views: 412219
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The vessels have been designed with low underwater noise radiation and equipment for submarine warfare. Their marketing team are using a very flexible definition of low. They fitted a real cheap propulsion system, the type found on cargo ships which have little interest in low noise, and there are ...
by shark bait
15 May 2019, 09:09
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing E-7 Wedgetail (RAF)
Replies: 117
Views: 9587
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Boeing E-7 Wedgetail (RAF)

The P8 has different wings to the civilian example, you can't by that second hand.
by shark bait
14 May 2019, 10:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9757
Views: 412219
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

That last sentence is certainly true, makes the Brits strategy look amateur.

The Brits invested a lot in the T26 and QE design, and guess what they're selling! Who would have thunk it?
by shark bait
14 May 2019, 09:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Dreadnought Class SSBN
Replies: 648
Views: 41077
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Dreadnought Class SSBN

Digger22 wrote:I think it's a perfectly reasonable

What is the benefit of a Hybrid class?
by shark bait
14 May 2019, 08:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9757
Views: 412219
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

FREMM cost's around €1,000m/unit @ 2028 prices.
FTI will cost around €760/unit @ 2028 prices.

Not insignificant.
by shark bait
14 May 2019, 07:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9757
Views: 412219
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

donald_of_tokyo wrote:French Navy ordered 5 FTI with the cost the same as that needed to buy 5 FREMM

Not quite, the FTI price is the future price including inflation.
by shark bait
13 May 2019, 13:24
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: U.K. UAV's/Drones
Replies: 176
Views: 13644
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: U.K. UAV's/Drones

I'm fairly sure a Kratos aircraft is behind the 'drone swarm' the RAF is experimenting with.
by shark bait
13 May 2019, 09:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Dreadnought Class SSBN
Replies: 648
Views: 41077
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Dreadnought Class SSBN

But if the design is on CAD the cost of altering it are not going to be immense surely? The cost of Dreadnought is huge, so much so it exposes the MOD to a lot of risk, thus the huge contingency set aside for dreadnought. Any change introduces risk, and here even a small increase in risk has a huge...
by shark bait
13 May 2019, 08:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Dreadnought Class SSBN
Replies: 648
Views: 41077
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Dreadnought Class SSBN

Is the above the first confirmation Dreadnought is electrically driven? That would be a first on a British sub, removing the last source of noise on a low speed patrol.

That'll give a SSBN the same stealth qualities as a modern SSK!
by shark bait
13 May 2019, 07:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Replies: 54
Views: 4478
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Royal Fleet Auxiliary

Lord Jim wrote:unmanned cargo ship had sailed from the UK to Belgium

Calling it a ship is a bit much, it was a small boat.

Logistics is one of the main drivers of autonomous technology in the civilian world, and some of that is bound to spill over into the military world.
by shark bait
10 May 2019, 09:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3838
Views: 212138
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Good spot. Certainly not seen anything other than CAMM there before, I didn't think there was room for a hot launched missile.
by shark bait
10 May 2019, 08:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)
Replies: 587
Views: 47618
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)

The Russians did (maybe still do) try sniffing for radiation to try and detect subs. However detecting meaningful tradition form the background sounds like an almost impossibly difficult task. Wake detection uses radar or lidar like techniques to detect differences in water density, possibly caused ...
by shark bait
08 May 2019, 12:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)
Replies: 587
Views: 47618
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)

Image

Astute class getting accessorised.

Likely the wake detection trailed on a T-boat a couple of years ago.
by shark bait
08 May 2019, 10:16
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)
Replies: 4123
Views: 211180
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Welcome news, its the only chance we have of seeing a 'full' carrier for a long while.
by shark bait
08 May 2019, 10:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9757
Views: 412219
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Ron5 wrote:this "factory" is just a large shed where the ships can be fully built out of the (Scottish) rain.

An indoor assembly facility... sounds a lot like a factory.
by shark bait
08 May 2019, 09:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9757
Views: 412219
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

They are using VDS+TASS, independently towed, similar to CAPTAS4 and 4CI (but with much compact VDS fish) I think you are right. I confused myself. What I was referring to above was not for the Netherlands Navy, but for the Canadian Navy. The Canadians are not fitting CAPTAS to their T26, instead t...
by shark bait
07 May 2019, 15:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9757
Views: 412219
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

@Donald , in many coastal environments a variable depth sonar, like CAPTAS-2, is unusable. Likewise passive detection in this environment is almost impossible. A solution often applied in these environments is a powerful active hull sonar pared with a simple towed array. The Royal Netherlands Navy ...
by shark bait
07 May 2019, 14:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9757
Views: 412219
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

@Repulse , Indeed the Braunschweig-class is another good benchmark, a patrol vessel built in the Europe at an established yard, and still considerably more than the Brits frigate budget. The Navy need to reallocate some budget if they want a real frigate. That should first come from a reduced suppo...
by shark bait
07 May 2019, 12:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9757
Views: 412219
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The new Brazilian Meko frigate is a good benchmark for the T31. The Brazilians are budgeting more per unit than the Brits to build basic patrol frigate / corvette. The Brits budget will only afford a big OPV. The Navy's short term priority is fixing this issue, removing the burden a bottom heavy OPV...
by shark bait
07 May 2019, 10:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9757
Views: 412219
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

What should the RN do if the T31e gets scrapped Start fighting for a replacement program because scrapping the T31 is not in the best interests of the navy. Stopping the T23 replacement creates a big drop in combatants, a drop that's likely unrecoverable for decades. Is it acceptable to operate onl...
by shark bait
07 May 2019, 09:16
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1382
Views: 81662
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

It shouldn't matter how many wingmen there are. If the wingman is a single large aircraft the pilot will be monitoring a single unit. If the wingman is multiple small aircraft the pilot will be monitoring a single swarm. As far as the pilot is concerned they should be interfacing with a single off b...
by shark bait
02 May 2019, 12:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 41203
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

FT reported the idea came from inside the Navy so hopefully not.

Gavin's transformation fund trying to introduce quick procurement route is one of his highlights, I hope it sticks around.
by shark bait
02 May 2019, 07:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?
Replies: 105
Views: 8449
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?

Pseudo wrote:dedicated hospital ships. I wonder if this becoming reality might be more likely now that she's Defence Secretary.

No more likely, she is not in charge of that money any more, plus is was probably only a political stunt to line her up for this job any way. Hospital ships are dumb anyway.
by shark bait
02 May 2019, 07:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RFA Fort Victoria
Replies: 138
Views: 11519
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: RFA Fort Victoria

It's a compromise. What is more valuable; ⋅ five patrol vessels and three support ships ⋅ five frigates and two support ships? If the T31 comes into fruition with a hard £250m price tag it will be a burden the RN will have to carry for decades. Finding the funds to make these eff...

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