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by shark bait
09 Sep 2019, 14:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)
Replies: 342
Views: 38092
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)

The Americans aren't bound by that constraint. They seem quite happy putting their Combat Air Support and Troop Transport aircraft on the same carrier. Why can't the Brits can't operate similar to their American friends?
by shark bait
09 Sep 2019, 13:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)
Replies: 342
Views: 38092
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)

Why would you bother? Why does the UK need more aviation capacity when all the UK's naval aircraft can fit on a single ship?
by shark bait
09 Sep 2019, 11:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 975
Views: 70153
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

I didn't think it was clear. Unfortunately I don't believe there has been a "Tide Class derivative", instead there has been two graphics demonstrating different super structure configurations, either with the bridge forward like the Fort Class, or the bridge aft like the USNS T-AKE class. ...
by shark bait
09 Sep 2019, 10:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 975
Views: 70153
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

If Navantia are releasing their design this week then your figures above have been made up.

And the "Tide Class derivative" graphic was not from BMT, it came from the MOD's naval design partnering office, I think it was just a mock up to make their power points look nice.
by shark bait
09 Sep 2019, 08:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)
Replies: 342
Views: 38092
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)

They offer extraordinarily good value to the UK, big, simple, awesome platforms. The RN could do with a few more like that!
by shark bait
09 Sep 2019, 08:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 607331
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

1 BILLION POUND for an ASW "frigate", even if it is allegedly going to be the best, is a very steep price, for something that has very basic capabilities in the other domains. ⋅ It only has a capable air defence system derived from Sea Viper on the T45, with the largest surface ...
by shark bait
09 Sep 2019, 07:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 607331
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

the type 23 has a smaller underwater noise signature and is a couple of knots faster ..That is it! Plus there is no sonar. The Navy will be operating an escort that has zero viability across one of the most challenging domains, unlike it's predecessor. That is a capability climb down no matter how ...
by shark bait
05 Sep 2019, 07:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 385463
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Gabriele wrote:An Arrowhead 140 selection would be very welcome news, as far as i'm concerned


It is likely the best of the bunch, but it's in poor company so that's no great endorsement.

At the end of the day its still not as good as the ship it replaces, with the RN having to accept a capability climb down.
by shark bait
24 Jul 2019, 08:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3922
Views: 286150
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Given how long the T23 replacement is taking, the MOD would need to start the T45 replacement last year to meet "the late 2030s". That probably makes a T26 derivative the only option. It's a long way off, but unless the nature of surface warfare changes dramatically (unlikely) the T26 is a...
by shark bait
23 Jul 2019, 10:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RN anti-ship missiles
Replies: 217
Views: 22683
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Expect the range to be much more than 20km, just like Sea Skua was. There is no way the RN would put a manned helicopter that close.
by shark bait
23 Jul 2019, 10:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3922
Views: 286150
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Interesting to see they already have their eye on the T45 replacement!
by shark bait
22 Jul 2019, 09:14
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: Martlet/Lightweight multirole missile
Replies: 52
Views: 7060
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Martlet/Lightweight multirole missile

Lord Jim wrote:and whether this was purely a trials fit, a UOR lash up prior to deployment or the full system?

Purely for trials. It looks like there's a door behind the launcher, along with a bunch of other equipment, I doubt that can be considered safe for operational use.
by shark bait
22 Jul 2019, 08:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 607331
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

As for RN's role in providing security in the area the proposed FLSS vessels would seem like a good option. Operating 3 Wildcats and 2 Merlins along with multiple small craft and the Royal Marines to go with them it would seem to be the perfect option. I agree, maritime security does not revolve ar...
by shark bait
22 Jul 2019, 08:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RN anti-ship missiles
Replies: 217
Views: 22683
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: RN anti-ship missiles

SPEAR3 and SeaVenom are very different weapons, they have totally different guidance methods, very different ranges, and one has a far bigger warhead. Importantly SeaVenom can be launched in a complex environment because the operator gets a video feed from the missile to reduce misidentification eve...
by shark bait
17 Jul 2019, 11:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 735
Views: 72806
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

What can the Mach 4 Starstreak hit that the Mach 1.5 LLM can't?

You'll find there is no difference because the guidance is the limiting effect, not the speed.
by shark bait
17 Jul 2019, 10:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 735
Views: 72806
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

Why does a patrol vessel need a mach 4 missile?
by shark bait
17 Jul 2019, 09:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 735
Views: 72806
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

So double the cost for a 20% increase in range. Is that really worth is for a patrol vessel?
by shark bait
17 Jul 2019, 08:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 607331
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I think the RN fear on that ( and rightly so ) is that if they let numbers slip now with the idea of expanding in the future they never get those numbers back That is a reasonable concern, and why the RN can't drop the T31 and buy an extra T26 in the 30's, that would likely create an unrecoverable ...
by shark bait
17 Jul 2019, 07:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 735
Views: 72806
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

No need for Starstreak, LLM has a surface to air capability.
by shark bait
17 Jul 2019, 07:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 607331
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Do we really need 5 T31? No. The Navy has not has 19 escorts in use for years, it makes little sense to accept such low quality ships just to maintain an arbitrary figure decided by politicians in 2010. The Navy should focus on quality, and fixing its internal issues, after that it can consider exp...
by shark bait
16 Jul 2019, 10:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 607331
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

SW1 wrote:I’m not sure why you are continuing to link this carrier requirement to drones.

Just as an example why the Navy can't build a crap ship then say it'll have drones to offset the capability drop.
by shark bait
16 Jul 2019, 08:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 607331
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

What is needed is a new class of Warship that is designed to operate as part of the fleet and be able to launch, operate and recover drones and numerous types Kinda like a carrier for aircraft? Not wanting to go into fantasy but perhaps in the future asw drones may be launched via parachute from ai...
by shark bait
15 Jul 2019, 15:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 607331
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Using an aircraft carrier to operate aircraft is a waste now?
by shark bait
15 Jul 2019, 15:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 607331
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

This all sounds like a solution in search of a problem. QE has plenty of space for UAV's and the T26 has plenty of space for boats. There is nothing on the horizon that doesn't fit into these categories. Dress it up however you want and the concepts touted over the last couple of days are a massive ...
by shark bait
15 Jul 2019, 14:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 607331
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

There is no drone that can protect a moving carrier from missiles, and there is no drone that can protect a moving carrier from submarines. As long as the Royal navy are in the carrier business they have not lost the requirement for traditional escorts.

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