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by shark bait
14 May 2015, 10:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10020
Views: 668423
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Ideally we would need them , but I see them being the easiest target.
That's perhaps not an unjustified desicion, the bays, points, carrier's, mexafloats and perhaps new solid support ships could cope well without them.
by shark bait
14 May 2015, 09:58
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: Future UK Maritime Patrol Options
Replies: 1217
Views: 54556
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Maritime Patrol Options

Its the biggest VTOL aircraft in the world , surely there must be a use for it on the biggest VTOL aircraft carrier the the world. If it's cheap to run it could deliver big payloads by air which we can't do presently. Again if its cheap to run and can go high, why not strap a crows nest to it? The m...
by shark bait
14 May 2015, 09:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10020
Views: 668423
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

They will have some pretty good amphibious capabilities and be able to dispatch those 300 marines simultaneously!

Begs the question will Albion be chopped once their both I'm service?
by shark bait
14 May 2015, 09:30
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1456
Views: 85180
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (Army)

mr.fred wrote:The additional cost of rolling our own is offset in part by tax.


At least someone gets it !
by shark bait
14 May 2015, 00:36
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1456
Views: 85180
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (Army)

It wouldn't be anywhere as bad as astute, thats the point I'm trying to make.
We already build things 'similar' to a tank.
We didn't build anything remotely like astute before that came along.
by shark bait
13 May 2015, 20:26
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1456
Views: 85180
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (Army)

Please explain your business model for the UK to re generate MBT building and design. why would I have a business model? also "The automotive capacity is privately owned" ........so is the entire defence industry. Back to starting a tank factory: The most important things to get right for...
by shark bait
12 May 2015, 20:55
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1456
Views: 85180
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (Army)

Yes. Not completely. Multi-Million Pound Manufacturing Development Gets Underway in Ampthill http://www.lockheedmartin.co.uk/uk/news/press-releases/2015-press-releases/Multi-Million-Pound-Manufacturing-Development-in-Ampthill-UK.html?sf9114608=1 The UK also has big automotive engineering muscle and...
by shark bait
12 May 2015, 20:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)
Replies: 1155
Views: 58333
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (RN)

haha ohhh yeahh! changes to RFA now.
by shark bait
12 May 2015, 20:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)
Replies: 1155
Views: 58333
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (RN)

Alternatively they will see a middle-aged man with an expensive fast car and will still smirk at the fact that he lives with his mum because he couldn't afford his own flat with the car repayments. Funny analogy but they can defiantly be afforded. They have already been paid for, and the operationa...
by shark bait
12 May 2015, 11:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3838
Views: 213169
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: UK's Future T26 Frigate.

Right now the Type 26's price is a serious concern. We might save pennies because we can transfer so much from the T23's, but the Canadian's won't be able to. The prime advantage we have is whatever missiles they want to go with (such as LRASM, JSM) we can accomodate. T26 having that Mk41 is the bi...
by shark bait
12 May 2015, 10:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)
Replies: 1155
Views: 58333
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (RN)

They do cost more, but they are also vastly more capable then almost any aircraft carrier or LHD out there. Everything boils down to a cost VS capability Pareto front, the uk can still afford to splash out on world class kit, but not in every area like we are perhaps use to. The real decisions we ne...
by shark bait
11 May 2015, 20:31
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1456
Views: 85180
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (Army)

Just buy what ever the Americans are currently fielding, but into their logistics and spares system job jobbed. Maybe not as well protected as the CR2 but We are out of the tank building bespoke game. Why don't we just become the 51st state then? I am against all this sending our tax to the America...
by shark bait
11 May 2015, 20:22
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: Future UK Maritime Patrol Options
Replies: 1217
Views: 54556
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Maritime Patrol Options

Coincidentally I recently attended an open day for Hybrid Air Vehicles at Cardington to look at the Airlander project. The materials technology is very impressive. However it would be a lot less expensive to run if they used hydrogen instead of helium. As it is with helium, I can see the cost advan...
by shark bait
11 May 2015, 20:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3838
Views: 213169
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: UK's Future T26 Frigate.

commonwealth team I like the sound of that! UK have sold to Canada before, and the type 26 would defiantly come under the Canadians budget. However FREM is proven, but aren't the French a bit arsey over technology transfer? I'm sure the MOD right would jump through hoops to get some extra value out...
by shark bait
11 May 2015, 20:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)
Replies: 1155
Views: 58333
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (RN)

I cant agree either.
Ocean has done well, but what can you do with ocean that you cant to with one of the carriers?
by shark bait
11 May 2015, 14:23
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: Future UK Maritime Patrol Options
Replies: 1217
Views: 54556
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Maritime Patrol Options

How about from an airship?
by shark bait
11 May 2015, 11:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3838
Views: 213169
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: UK's Future T26 Frigate.

Massive opportunity there ! The Canadians have a big chunk of budget set aside for the project too..

If bae fails to make this go through it proves privatised shipbuilding is crap
by shark bait
11 May 2015, 11:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)
Replies: 587
Views: 47844
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Astute Class Attack Submarines (SSN) (RN)

Given the original SSBNs (in the 1960s) were planned to refuel every 4-5 years and there were to be 2 SSBNs on station for 70% of the time I believe that the UK only needs 3 SSBNs. In cost and manpower terms this should release enough for two extra SSNs (SSBNs have two crews - or did in my day). Th...
by shark bait
10 May 2015, 21:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10020
Views: 668423
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

I know it is off topic but given there is no refuelling of the successor submarines I would rather see 3 SSBNs (still maintaining the continuous patrol at sea) and two more Astute's (making 9). I think its quite possible. Ive put my reply in the astute section http://ukdefenceforum.net/viewtopic.ph...
by shark bait
10 May 2015, 21:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)
Replies: 587
Views: 47844
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Astute Class Attack Submarines (SSN) (RN)

In reply to comment in the aircraft carrier thread I know it is off topic but given there is no refuelling of the successor submarines I would rather see 3 SSBNs (still maintaining the continuous patrol at sea) and two more Astute's (making 9). I think what you are suggesting is quite possible. Ive...
by shark bait
10 May 2015, 16:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10020
Views: 668423
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Now what we need to watch for is the Tories ditching one of the carriers after the Strategic Defence and [Spending] Review. What they said last year matters not a bit to Cameron as this will be his last five years. However he has such a small majority that a backbench rebellion might force him to c...
by shark bait
10 May 2015, 15:41
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: Future UK Maritime Patrol Options
Replies: 1217
Views: 54556
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Maritime Patrol Options

now we're passed the pay wall, its clearly all speculative rubbish
by shark bait
10 May 2015, 10:58
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: Future UK Maritime Patrol Options
Replies: 1217
Views: 54556
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Maritime Patrol Options

Didn't India's P8 have them? If we are getting them I wonder if we will add any more equipment to it I remember someone telling me we had stuff planned for the nimrod placed in storage. Have you got any more info in that? Its a possibility I've oftern thought about. I am of the understanding that t...
by shark bait
10 May 2015, 10:31
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: Future UK Maritime Patrol Options
Replies: 1217
Views: 54556
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Maritime Patrol Options

Also have they just shopped a MAD on the end. 99% sure the P8 doesn't have one.
Credibility (the quality of being believable or worthy of trust) ≈ 1%

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by shark bait
10 May 2015, 10:25
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: Future UK Maritime Patrol Options
Replies: 1217
Views: 54556
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Maritime Patrol Options

intesesting how that gives a unit cost exactly at £166 million, exactly what the Wikipedia page gives.
Whist I would welcome such news I don't think its beyond the sun to make shit up.

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