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by clinch
06 Sep 2017, 07:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445249
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/09/06/britain-orders-fleet-budget-battleships-deal-boost-shipbuilding/ If this is true, some bad news....the order is for 5 hulls and the cost will be capped at £250 million per hull..... "Under the National Shipbuilding Strategy, Britain will buy five ...
by clinch
04 Sep 2017, 09:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445249
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

If the UK government insists going down the T31 light frigate route (and putting aside enhanced B2 River or Venator 90 for a MHPC ship) then my vote goes for an envolved Khareef. By envolved I mean the same size, but with similar system / survivability changes the RN made for the River, plus 127mm ...
by clinch
19 Aug 2017, 17:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10869
Views: 723274
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

UK RN T31, if its cost is 250M GBP, while that of T26 is 750M GBP, is 33%. (if 1B GBP, 25%). This sums up perfectly why the T31 in its current form will be a waste of money, as there is zero chance IMO of a £3.5bn budget (67% of a 750mn T26 for 6 ships, plus a conservative 500mn design budget) - ha...
by clinch
12 Aug 2017, 12:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3013
Views: 241913
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

In this option, of course the modification cost, Wildcat number, and the whole man-power are the issue. But, this option is directly related to abandoning APT-S escort, which will release ~3.5 hull equivalent. In other words, it will make it possible to disband two T23GP now, use one 180-strong cre...
by clinch
23 Jul 2017, 08:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10869
Views: 723274
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

If we have £2 billion to spend, as has been suggested, I would probably can the T31 idea. How much of that £2 billion will be spent on the design of the new class? Shouldn't £2 billion buy two more ASW T26 (we should have enough towed array for 10 now we have ordered extra). Order another five River...
by clinch
01 Apr 2017, 09:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10869
Views: 723274
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Does anyone think Type 31 will never happen and we will end up with 6 T45 and 6 T26. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3220782/defence-chiefs-to-take-axe-royal-marines-in-order-to-plug-10bn-armed-forces-black-hole/ This Sun piece is based on a report I read in yesterday's Times. The Times piece is behin...
by clinch
22 Mar 2017, 15:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3931
Views: 326953
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Global Combat Ship [News Only]

abc123 wrote:So, considering it's allready March 2017, any ideas about when contract for Type 26 manufacturing will be signed and manufacturing started?


Probably after Indy Ref 2.
by clinch
21 Nov 2016, 14:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3013
Views: 241913
Location: United Kingdom

Re: river I/I.5 and II patrol vessels

"the extra space and mission bays built into River B.2 allows for the potential use of unmanned systems" Do you have a link to this article? There is an interesting article here, in which the author argues that the new Rivers have more potential than many people think http://www.thinkdefe...
by clinch
10 Nov 2016, 09:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1036
Views: 95796
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Home built ships are subject to 20% VAT. Korean ships are not. Good system eh? . Lots of studies about multiplier effects in defence proc , home vs. abroad. Just narrowing it down to tax take, add 18% of the sum total (100)on top of that VAT. So that sort of number in off-set trades (between 50 and...
by clinch
04 Nov 2016, 12:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445249
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

dmereifield wrote:http://indiandefence.com/threads/uk-type-31-general-purpose-frigate.56379/

Post on Indian Defence claims there will be up to 9 T31s - is anyone familiar with this and where the number 9 may have come from?


Up to nine could be one.
by clinch
28 Oct 2016, 07:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10869
Views: 723274
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

My thoughts on what we should do, for what they are worth (don't all shout at me at once). I would be inclined to scrap Type 31 and go for a distinct high-low mix. Increase the number of ASW Type 26 to nine, giving us a front line escort fleet of 15. I would keep the earlier batch Rivers (they are n...
by clinch
22 Oct 2016, 10:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3013
Views: 241913
Location: United Kingdom

Re: river I/I.5 and II patrol vessels

Interesting developments with the Thai River class. https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2016/01/30/bae-to-support-construction-of-second-thai-patrol-vessel/ Is this author possibly right in suggesting the Batch 2 design has been underestimated? http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2016/06/thou...
by clinch
17 Oct 2016, 19:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10869
Views: 723274
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion



That's the briefing paper we've been discussing.
by clinch
17 Oct 2016, 16:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10869
Views: 723274
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

HMS Westminster got SeaCeptor. How is it going on? From my memory Argyll was quoted as a candidate. But, is it moving forward? I'm afraid, SeaCeptor update "may" be quietly ignoring the 5 T23GPs. For example, Argyll is planned to be decommissioned on 2023. Even if she get SeaCeptor in 201...
by clinch
17 Oct 2016, 15:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10869
Views: 723274
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

That figure is the unit production cost, which does not include design costs. It would be very challenging to get anything credible for that, a small empty frigate hull will be costing almost £200 million, leaving only £150 million available for notoriously expensive complex systems. Thanks for the...
by clinch
17 Oct 2016, 12:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10869
Views: 723274
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

There are two TOBAs (with BAE and Babcock); is this for one or for the both of them? Just BAE: In 2009 the Government signed a 15 year Terms of Business Agreement (TOBA) with BAE Systems and Babcock. The TOBA guaranteed BAE Systems a minimum level of surface ship build and support activity of £230 ...
by clinch
17 Oct 2016, 12:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10869
Views: 723274
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

It gives the minimum annual TOBA spend on surface ships with BAe Systems as £230 million. Has that figure been made public before?
by clinch
17 Oct 2016, 10:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10869
Views: 723274
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Anyone seen that there's been a briefing paper published in the last few days? It's entitled 'The Royal Navy's new frigates and the national shipbuilding strategy'.

uk national shipbuilding strategy site:researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk
by clinch
14 Sep 2016, 08:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445249
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

@Ron5 Not so much a debateable assertion as an outright lie. Politicians don't seem to care any more that we know they are lying. Cameron was a prime example.
by clinch
30 Aug 2016, 17:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6216
Views: 445249
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

I don't know how much BAe needs from the Government to run the Clyde shipyards, but what's wrong with the Government saying this is the plan to replace the escort fleet over the next 24 years: we want 8 ASW frigates, 10 light frigates and 6 AAW frigates to replace the Types 45s - presumably an AAW T...

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