IF norway do sign on dotted line .. how quickly & would it be feasable to explore the rafting & quieting the hull & hull mounted sonar @ VDS for 2 or 3 second batch of T31 for exclusivly CSG duties for delivery early 2030's to help with the possible T26 hulls being transfered to norway ?...

Even if labour cut defence spending i honestly think - after a month of bashing - 95% of the population would NOT care untill it affects them, best we can hope for are the fluid ambitions from both sides of 2.5%....

Sounds like investing in the CAMM-MR could be the cheapest vs capability vs quick to set up solution ?

How much are the Polish T31's costing again ? ( with their better sensers & weopons ! ) every extra add-on costs more ....

Lets hope a cross party rumblings have indicated they want another hull or two before the T 83...... or maybe their trying to intice norway for a future order ????

Would that create a FRAUKUS ....maybe to close to a F-in-RUCKUS for my liking i'll get me coat...

Well that sounds like he is oboard ( ) & suports (J)AUKUS & claiming to match the 2.5% spend when the time is right .... hopefully no U turns

They are probably just pushing again - now - to say they are strong on defence as its election year & a slow news day .. . Unless they will be going to bring the deployment forward.....

If some of the T45 have CAMM by then - it will help a lot especialy if the Gov's have increased the stockpiles of weopons...also maybe a couple of T31 would have mk 41's with their hopefully increased availiability due to them being new ships, i think we would be in a better place to deter or compet...

Dumb move by the RN getting rid of the Seaharrier in 2008? & trusting in the jointforce ( understandable given lack of funds - wonder what the theme is.... :thumbdown: ) could of made an easier transition from sea harrier to F35 & also would of been great to see the SH & F35 mix on the Q...

What is the timeline for converting the shorter range aster 15 to the longer range aster 30 ? as the RN will be using CAMM on the T45 wont this mitigate the situation ?

Would love to know how much a QEC carrier costs to run compared to the old CVL invincible class & the juan carlos class excluding aircraft....anybody got any figures ?

Well with project Arkroyal for the QEC class carriers - i would love to see a CATOBAR GCAP ! but with money so tight, i cant really see it unless there is a major advantage over the F35 & lots more money invested in defence ! but in the 2040's when they start plannig for carrier replacement for ...

When designed the budget was bigger as GDP, in hindsight a couple of Cavours would of been a little more budget friendly but less able to surge aircraft & support them for a shorter time IF needed, dont get me wrong but i think 3 Cavours to replace the 3 invincible CVL may of been better fit for...

Perhaps the RN could swap a QEC carrier & both Albion + bulwark for both the Oz JC class LHD ....potentialy the RN could have a rotation of 1 x strike carrier & LHD with a LHD in maintance, or when the QEC is in refit use a JC LHD (with updates) as a mini F35 carrier ....bit of a tongue in c...

2 x RN & 2 x raf with the gov saying they have increased squadron numbers from the planned 3 .....

thats a lot of CAMM if used to the max...

Nice to see CAMM in action - a good advert for future buyers....& well done to the crew

perhaps a river b2 & one T31 could be managed in the 2030's ? would be very attractive posting for some newer sailors....maybe encourage the Oz navy ( also Nz ) to buy some T31

Great to see her in good company, are they the 2 bagger merlins aft ? cant zoom in

when the T31 do start comisioning replace the gp T23 taskings, but in the longer term - 1 in uk waters, 1 in the med, 1 or maybe 2 EOS, but that depends on the threat level at the time, as said i see them as lower level threat place holders that have been bought to keep the hull numbers up in the sh...

I see them as place holders until the big guns arrive, so for me the med would be ok, along with EOS & also escorting - showing presence for Russians/non NATO ships around the UK - so I think 5 is enough !

How would that cost if built in british yard ?

Wonder how much all the desirable sensors & weopons would cost....1/2 to 2/3 of the cost of a T26


Still think there is a need for small number of cheaper ships ( or more investment ) for all the tasks that are demanded of the RN

50 ships are supposed to be taking part - so maybe there will be some others frigates ( other than a T23 ) to help out ? would of thought as steadfast defender gets into full swing more detail/photos will be posted....

First proper fixed wing flight ops - no point running before you can walk, how many did QE start with? next years promises to be a huge jump 24 !!! so not to lng to wait.....