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by rec
28 Aug 2017, 12:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 420313

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Given all the issues with defence procurement, projects ending up over costs and over time. The National shipbuilding strategy could provide an innovative way forward. Providing a possible uplift in the number of escort ships in the Royal Navy. The Royal Navy has had mixed level escourt fleets befor...
by rec
08 Jul 2017, 20:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy SSK?
Replies: 381
Views: 19537

Re: Royal Navy SSK?

A small SSK force would be useful for all of th above, and built as part of a national shipbuilding startegy, along with Type 31 and MARS SSS
by rec
18 Dec 2016, 19:47
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)
Replies: 4147
Views: 214630

Re: F-35B Lightning II (RN & RAF)

A split buy makes sense on the following grounds. 1) The A is cheaper,has longer range and better fits the RAF needs 2)It would allow the Bs to be primarily an RN asset and move away from tailored are groups to dedicated air groups. possible structure: F35B 2 RN frontline squadrons of 16 aircraft in...
by rec
15 Dec 2016, 17:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 420313

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

But with the Type 26 firgate being shortlisted by both Canada and Australia, it looks like the T26 and not the T31 has export potential, if so will this have an impact on RN numbers?

On the T31 , I think both BAE designs are out of the running, and it will be the Venator 110
by rec
15 Dec 2016, 17:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3838
Views: 214681

Re: Type 26 Global Combat Ship [News Only]

But with the Type 26 firgate being shortlisted by both Canada and Australia, it looks like the T26 and not the T31 has export potential, if so will this have an impact on RN numbers?
by rec
16 Sep 2016, 11:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 278455

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

It looks like the BMT Venator is the front runner in the T31 stakes. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/venator ... t-frigate/
by rec
05 Sep 2016, 16:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10027
Views: 673380

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

They may be impressive looking ships, but they will go to sea with an inadequate number of aircraft and helicopters, no dedicated naval fixed wing squadrons, and in a. Navy that's short of both manpower and modern escorts. They are effectively paper tigers. As much as any thing they are a symbol of ...
by rec
30 Aug 2016, 10:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 278455

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

In answer to recent, if CVA01 and TSR2 had been proceeded with, both would be coming to the end of their service lives around now (assuming CVA01 was followed by 02, and 03, and TSR2 production continued into the late 1970s), so recent in the sense that they were post 1960s, given the lenght of tim...
by rec
30 Aug 2016, 10:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 278455

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

In answer to recent, if CVA01 and TSR2 had been proceeded with, both would be coming to the end of their service lives around now (assuming CVA01 was followed by 02, and 03, and TSR2 production continued into the late 1970s), so recent in the sense that they were post 1960s, given the lenght of time...
by rec
30 Aug 2016, 09:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 278455

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

There is a long recent history of procurement disasters and cancelations: TSR2, CVA01, Nimrod AEW and MR4 to name but a few. We also seem over confident in our designs, and have produced ships that are inadequatley armed (the Falkands war highlighted the failings in both AAW and ASW). Even Good desi...
by rec
24 Aug 2016, 18:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 278455

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

the Bae & venator designs to me are more like corvettes or ships you'd sell to a 3rd world country we need better than that They are what you get when the government has a budget of X for defence, when Y might be required. So we can only afford a small number of Type 26s, we only have 19 escour...
by rec
24 Aug 2016, 16:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 278455

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

because they are patrol frigates ment to release 1st (T26/T45)rate vessels from Ops like anti piracy, WIGS and SLANT GS roles tha can't be done with an OPV. So what do they need strike VLS they would be better on the T26 or T45 Agreed, Type 31 shouldhave anti submarine, antiship and anti aircraft m...
by rec
19 Aug 2016, 11:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future RN Amphibious Shipping
Replies: 450
Views: 15635

Re: Future RN Amphibious Shipping

But one paid for paid for by the overseas aid budget would be used for that purpose disaster relief,
by rec
19 Aug 2016, 11:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future RN Amphibious Shipping
Replies: 450
Views: 15635

Re: Future RN Amphibious Shipping

@seaspear, very true! But after the Atlantic Conveyor effect (at least the Harriers had already been transferred to the carriers; how would the campaign have ended without that having been the sequence) I think the RN will handle the "all eggs in the same basket" situations very carefully...
by rec
19 Aug 2016, 11:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 278455

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

The government promised Scotland thirteen frigates. In the current climate of "will there be another referendum?" thirteen frigates will be built in Scotland. Unless, of course, Scotland leaves the UK; then zero frigates will be built there. In this case, keeping the kingdom united and gi...
by rec
19 Aug 2016, 10:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 278455

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/16847/BAESystemsSurfaceShipsTermsofBusinessAgreementREDACTED.pdf The link to the agreement on shipbuilding, there is negotiation space for the government to choose a non BAE yard. As I have mentioned before I do not think ther...
by rec
18 Aug 2016, 21:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 278455

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

The whole discussion is secondary to the major issue facing the RN, which is the manpower crisis
by rec
18 Aug 2016, 19:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 594
Views: 36673

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

and as i've stated the MCMV role and Hydrography Role will be put on the back burner as their lordships (Most of whom will be from a frigate/destroyer background) want to generate more escorts! By having different classes you reduce this risk to the future of MCMV/Hydrography as people from those b...
by rec
18 Aug 2016, 19:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 278455

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

It isn't. Already committed to BAE on the clyde. I am not totally convinced by that, the deal with BAE is about complex warships only and the Type 31 may not be classed as a complex warship. While some T31s could be built on the Clyde, not all have to be. The Gov could argue because of the prohibit...
by rec
18 Aug 2016, 16:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 278455

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

Also I still think Type 31 is a way the government can challenge BAE's monopoply, and all the VFM discussions re Type 26 are part of that too.
So I wouldn't be supirsed to see the Venator design accpeted as the basis for T31 and MHPC, buily by a colalition of Babcock and Camil Laird.
by rec
18 Aug 2016, 16:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 594
Views: 36673

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

Yes econd largest, but if Governments had invested properly, we wouldn't be buying airbuses, but Vickers
by rec
18 Aug 2016, 16:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 278455

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate

Even though i'm concerned that all these surface ships are yesterday's stuff, not tomorrow's. I'm seriously concerned about their ability to keep up with the changing world over the next few decades. Even Type 26 itself. The Type 45 disaster has generated a retrograde push that i really dislike. Ha...
by rec
18 Aug 2016, 16:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 594
Views: 36673

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

Hunts were built as joint sweepers/Hunters and designed to operate in a minefield. I guess that's my worry with a mothership that isn't built to those specifications. You dont always know where the mine field is. I just wonder is this (like building nuclear powere stations, civil and millitary aviat...

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